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Dublin Miners Pub Poll

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Leave the base where it is. The players want it.
7.41%
2 7.41%
Give up. It ain't worth it.
22.22%
6 22.22%
It is great for the game. Rebuild it in an approved place.
70.37%
19 70.37%
Total 27 vote(s) 100%
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Dublin Miners Pub Poll
Offline Paddy.
10-05-2017, 10:55 AM,
#11
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(10-05-2017, 09:25 AM)Smokey Wrote: This has two aspects;

in Roleplay
and,
Out of Roleplay

In Roleplay your pub is detrimental to corporations such as BMF who mine the field. Your pub allows for independent miners to make easier use of the field and for traders to buy ore at a reduced price. InRP.. we will crush you Paddy!!

Out of Roleplay hell yeah it's a good thing.. It's hard as hell mining on your own...

On your own..

and to my conclusion: I like mining because, unlike most other 'jobs' in disco, it is essential to co-operate with others to make it a successful venture. this inspires interactions as bigger groups in the mining fields give the pirates something to get their teeth into and in return, the house military/police to counteract. This is something we see all the time in Dublin especially, where your pub is (was)

In RP, it would have thought this would have been seen as an asset. Even to BMM, BMF et al. If it encourages more fun and more variety, that is great! Would it build the player usage? I hope so. But yes, it is hard to mine solo.

Thanks for your call.. Next caller. 0.o
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Offline Paddy.
10-05-2017, 11:10 AM,
#12
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(10-05-2017, 09:39 AM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Just do it right next time. Mindlessly placing PoBs is always a bad idea. I know it is very tempting to build PoBs, as they give you a sense of constant progression, but doing it for the sake of having a PoB is not worth the invested time and money. If you want a roleplay platform, just go for a Freelancer Bustard. Can be used in Bretonia and Liberty without law issues, doesn't die for good unless you want so and people will see it when you're logged instead of having just another PoB that is nice to look at but nothing more than that.

It was cheeky, it was an experiment of sorts for future RP and I did not think it would last so long. But it took on a life of its own. I mean when BPA asked for me to destroy it I did strip it of everything. Just before the deadline.

A day later came back, and I don't know who, resupplied everything. Go figure. I actually thought it was a stay of execution I had asked for.

I think the concept like this has great merit as a miners freeport.

Thanks for responding. Appreciated.

Paddy
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Offline Paddy.
10-05-2017, 11:16 AM,
#13
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(10-05-2017, 10:52 AM)Misfit Wrote: Can I also say that I've noticed you put ooRP stuff in your base's name like (PM Paddy for docking rights) or some garbage.

I think I can comfortably speak for the entire community when I say please do not do that.

What do you mean OORP? We are talking about ingame pm's sir. Not ONE person has PM'd me out of game in forums requesting docking rights. I have had most of my requests for docking via ingame pm's and the rest direct contact whilst I was in game. It pays to advertise.

Paddy
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Offline Smokey
10-05-2017, 11:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-05-2017, 11:25 AM by Smokey.)
#14
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(10-05-2017, 10:55 AM)Paddy. Wrote: In RP, it would have thought this would have been seen as an asset. Even to BMM, BMF et al. If it encourages more fun and more variety, that is great! Would it build the player usage? I hope so. But yes, it is hard to mine solo.

Thanks for your call.. Next caller. 0.o

No my good man.. not an asset inRP to us at all.

Unless we had exclusive access *sniggers*
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Offline Paddy.
10-05-2017, 11:36 AM,
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(10-05-2017, 11:23 AM)Smokey Wrote:
(10-05-2017, 10:55 AM)Paddy. Wrote: In RP, it would have thought this would have been seen as an asset. Even to BMM, BMF et al. If it encourages more fun and more variety, that is great! Would it build the player usage? I hope so. But yes, it is hard to mine solo.

Thanks for your call.. Next caller. 0.o

No my good man.. not an asset inRP to us at all.

Unless we had exclusive access *sniggers*

Hehehe... very good!
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Offline Laz
10-05-2017, 01:14 PM,
#16
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Are we not gonna talk about how detrimental PoBs in mining fields are?
Antonio put it will in this thread, just like the many threads before it.
(10-19-2016, 01:16 PM)Antonio Wrote: Area denial POBs are one of the most detrimental things the game ever had, slightly behind jump trading.

People remember this?

Jack H also brought up a major problem with mining field PoBs:
(10-19-2016, 01:49 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: You mine there, 1k from the POB.
You see a red contact on 14 k.
You thrust to the base.
The contact is at 9,8 k.
You hit F9, see "pirate transport" or "gunboat" or "bomber"
You hit "F3 dock" when the enemy is at 9,3 k.

You successfully killed off an interaction.
You were 100 % safe.
And a pirate will - after having experienced that a few times - not even bother to go there anymore.
The system will die out (except for the happy miners that love to play safely) and become a barren desert where once used to be an activity centre with cool action.

So... you are wrong:

Any POB that allows for the fast and easy denial for interaction harms the gameplay. The harm is bigger when there are guns, but it is already there by the sheer existence inside 15k of the mining field.

Also this
(10-05-2017, 10:52 AM)Misfit Wrote: Can I also say that I've noticed you put ooRP stuff in your base's name like (PM Paddy for docking rights) or some garbage?

I think I can comfortably speak for the entire community when I say please do not do that.

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Offline Sand-Viper
10-05-2017, 01:31 PM,
#17
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Should a base such as this exist? I think so.

Should said base exist within or nearer than 15k of the Dublin gold field? Probably not...

Re-build. It seems to be a good thing for fostering activity, so I would definitely keep it going via an approved base location. 15k is still pretty darn close enough to give someone enough time to escape, even if an opposing pirate were to begin shooting a player 15k away from said base (provided the one fleeing has an armor upgrade). Those attempting to role play a pirate should at least be given a fair shot at piracy, instead of allowing folks to avoid RP entirely by docking on a base before the pirate is even halfway to reaching a miner/hauler/transport.

After all, this is a Roleplaying server, yes? Smile
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Offline Karlotta
10-05-2017, 01:43 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-05-2017, 05:29 PM by Karlotta.)
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(10-05-2017, 08:54 AM)Paddy. Wrote: Dublin Miners Pub was set up as a proof of concept. Initially it was to enable solo players, particularly in the time zones that do not have many players on, to mine effectively without breaking the server rules. (Multiboxing etc).

It has become a very real hive of activity and encourages really good RP. It is totally different than any other POB. One of the best RP situations going.

Erm... cough cough Eldorado cough cough. You pretty much copied the concept shortly after it was built and posted on the forum, only inside the mining field and without RP asking for permissions, also letting factions like BMM and IMG dock on an alleged junker base. You've also been pming Eldorado ships ingaming telling them you gave them free docking on your base with the obvious intention of siphoning Eldorado's activity.

That being said, the same concept has been used many times prior to Eldorado, everyone is free to do what they want, so I'm not going to complain about it, and didn't complain to you before.

I was already thinking about inviting you to open a IRP pub on Eldorado (as long as they're not BMM or unlawful in bretonia, or enemy of the mollies I let anyone dock anyway), but wasn't sure who's alt you were, and thought you'd probably prefer to make something closer to the field which lets BMM dock because of BMM's (in my opinion OP) gold bonus with which no other ID can compete.

So here's my invitation. At this point I don't know if the Mollies are going to tolerate a base that lets BMM dock (I've seen them online 2 or 3 times in 6 months, maybe they're dead), or if you're chummy enough with their players to feel safe.

Either way, I'm cool with both. Didn't vote.

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Offline Paddy.
10-05-2017, 09:48 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-05-2017, 09:50 PM by Paddy..)
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...the same concept has been used many times prior to Eldorado, everyone is free to do what they want, so I'm not going to complain about it, and didn't complain to you before.

I was already thinking about inviting you to open a IRP pub on Eldorado (as long as they're not BMM or unlawful in bretonia, or enemy of the mollies I let anyone dock anyway), but wasn't sure who's alt you were, and thought you'd probably prefer to make something closer to the field which lets BMM dock because of BMM's (in my opinion OP) gold bonus with which no other ID can compete.


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Thanks for your input.
I agree that BMM having a much higher gold bonus is unfair, and that Molly and IMG, the other gold miners in the area, are severely disadvantaged. They should have parity.

The idea of a freepub for miners is still sound. I do think there is a need for something more flexible in between a faction allied base and a freeport type situation. It needs to be close enough to be able to return to the pub, log onto your transport and then fly out and scoop up the ore. 15k out is useless for that. I also see your point on miners doing a runner. Make a complaint to the pub and they probably would get their docking rights revoked.

I have been pirated twice within cooee of the pub. And didn't... in a clydesdale 550 ore? 1 million credits. That is one load sold to the base. I have been pirated 3 times in my Transport in Dublin or New London, 5 - 14 million credits. Well worth the risk, and RP'd every time.

Cheers!

Paddy
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Offline Jack_Henderson
10-05-2017, 10:01 PM,
#20
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Rebuild at least 15 k from any mineable area and clarify it with Bretonia first. I know, it sucks that Discovery space is full of laws and that everything is claimed and what should be wild, untamed space feels like the neat suburbs surrounding a town, but that's what players made it and it has been accepted by those in charge.

If you need help to bring it up again, hit IMG| up. I love Dublin system and would love to see it thrive again. If you want to put energy into the system, you definitely have my support.
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