Dumb stuff harms the game

[Lemon]

The Enclave's POB sieges are legit. They are made for RP reasons. I don't like how they are avoiding combat by besieging at times when everyone is asleep or just running away when opposition comes, but there's nothing essentially wrong with the actual idea that they should besiege POBs in Dublin, as that is their role and they are playing it.

What is very wrong are the POB sieges made against Xenon, the player. This is something that everyone knows is happening, yet everyone seems to be alright with for some reason. A "public secret". Besieging a POB only because it belongs to a certain player is both metagaming and cyber-bullying, and I don't know why the GMs haven't done anything about it. Maybe they all got frightened by the consequences of the Heavy Decision and are now close to useless. Maybe they don't want to grow a spine in fear from Kaze ripping it out, as he seems to like doing. Abstention from voting is cancer.

Wait what they abuse off peak and avoid fights when someone comes?
People just can't be nice and play fair can they
We shouldn't have to have rules for everything and people playing to the edge of what they allow just because they can surely

The rules should be some limits of behavior that disrupt the game, not a guideline of what you should do every time and not get banned

[Paddy.]

I will bring my word as the main initiator of all the "destruction" in the Dublin system.
You can throw me tomatoes, eggs. This does not change the essence.

As a person, I would apologize, but.

1. What RP did you expect? You say so often that we have "Bad RP".

2. Personally, I do not like the name, location and how it is rotated.

3. This is just a game, and you should relate to it in a lighter way.

4. I will consider that your 2 years of investment, if you did not receive profit from your base, then this is your fault and problems. If you properly administer the database, then you should have made a profit from it, and not just be a place for import - export.

So, Core 3 PoB is created in 1.5 months, your 2 years are thrown to nothing. Double this time if you do not have the same time as other players.
Maybe I wish evil for Bretonia, but this is only inRP. As a person, I am neutral to this house.

5. What did you do to protect this base?

Answer me here or in Discord PM.
Perhaps I will discuss some issues with you.

Thankyou for reaching out.
Perhaps read my response to TheFireLeon just above.

I was involved in the (failed) flotilla of defenders you decimated today, defending Dublin. I was inspired by you tactic of using the Jump-drive. Caught us out big time. Well done! It was awesome! We sacrificed Durham as it was pointless defending an abandoned PoB strategically.

For the record, I took over responsibility for Goldgeist in January I believe. It was already built. I simply maintained it with some help. However, if you picked up the vibe just before Covid19 struck, the base had become a looser association of non-aligned miners. Couldn't change the name however. And the base usually had 40-50k of Gold ore.

Yes, it is a game, and if you read my signature from the coach of (literally) the most successful sports team ever in the world, in any code, you would understand something of my personal outlook about DiscoveryGC. He had just lost the semifinals of the Rugby World cup.

I'll contact you on Discord.

[St.Denis]

What is very wrong are the POB sieges made against Xenon, the player. This is something that everyone knows is happening, yet everyone seems to be alright with for some reason. A "public secret". Besieging a POB only because it belongs to a certain player is both metagaming and cyber-bullying, and I don't know why the GMs haven't done anything about it. Maybe they all got frightened by the consequences of the Heavy Decision and are now close to useless. Maybe they don't want to grow a spine in fear from Kaze ripping it out, as he seems to like doing. Abstention from voting is cancer.

If you know this for a fact, put in a Violation Report.

As for everyone knows, I am sure that there are plenty that don't, as this is the first I have heard of it.

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[Shiki]

I don't like how they are avoiding combat by besieging at times when everyone is asleep or just running away when opposition comes, but there's nothing essentially wrong with the actual idea that they should besiege POBs in Dublin, as that is their role and they are playing it.

Yesterday we've had 1 fight in Newcastle against =LSF=, BAF| and NO- and 1 fight in Dublin against BAF| and =CR=. With Clew Bay it's been 2 big fights too. With Dutchman 1 fight that extended for many hours. That's not counting minor clashes and those are in which I participated personally, there were maybe more. Fights were big with a lot of players logged on each side.

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[Thunderer]

@St.Denis

I am not involved in the abuse of Xenon and thus I have no evidence. I am not that kind of a person who will join it only to snitch on other fellow members. I can't relate specific persons to it (save for a small part of the clique, yet still no evidence). All I know is that it's happening and that no one's doing anything about it. Whoever has actual evidence should make that violation report instead, or if they are afraid to, give their evidence to me and I'll do it for them.

@Shiki

I don't know, pal, I don't really have enough time to play these days. I should have mentioned it's what I've heard, not what I've experienced myself. The only fight I participated in was the one in Newcastle yesterday (tallyho from the cancerous repship!). There may have been some fights in which you weren't present, where the Enclave just ran away. It's what I've read in the BAF chat.

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[Shiki]

Yeah, maybe some ran, idk. When that many people are involved, you can't control them all at all times. The way you put it it was we always run and never fight and just siege bases when no one is online, which is far from the truth. In Newcastle we clearly saw what was coming and that we had nothing to counter it, while we had enough time to type /leave or jump away. I am glad that guys just fought there with dying-is-alright mentality.

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[Paddy.]

On a side note, I remember at least two times that Paddy's POBs, both in Dublin, caused similar drama. Maybe, it is time to incur some lessons from the situation and place a POB or take one under your administration in a different spot? As Vaas in Facrcry 3 said: "Insanity is doing the exact same thing over and over again expecting a different results". Sapienti sat.

My PoB's were a little different. They never lasted! (I was sometimes surprised they lasted as long as they did). Some of the 'drama' was misinterpreting my RP character. Looking back I needed to separate my person from my character better. Learnt from that hence Festus McBoyle (love that name)

Once I started to "obey the law" in RP and had a legit base there was a player routinely harrassing me ingame and destroying them. That was before they added the HPHP to bases and one person could no longer take out a base on his own.

St Denis summed it up early in this thread. Ships can respawn. Bases don't.

[Lemon]

Umm I just realized which PoB that was
I used it a lot
and for all the talk here I didn't even come defend it
Sorry buddy - I don't think i have seen any defender recruitment threads though?

I do hope someone rebuilds it, it was a vital part of gold trading routes when PoBs next to new london weren't filled
It helped SIrius economy as a whole oorp

[Thunderer]

@Shiki Yeah, I expressed myself in a wrong way. They don't always run away or besiege in past midnight times.

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[Shiki]

@Shiki Yeah, I expressed myself in a wrong way. They don't always run away or besiege in past midnight times.

More like accept most of the fights and a good portion of our playerbase that is not European is logging for sieges too, when they can. Which happens to be past midnight for you.

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