There is no New London defense grid now, but because there have been certain signs that the Enclave will be interested to besiege the POBs in orbit, and Markam's attempt to have a deal with them failed, those POBs will get weapon platforms.
(05-30-2020, 08:15 PM)Grumblesaur Wrote: and PVP is a mode of roleplay.
Gonna leave that on its own. Kinda speaks for its self. But I'll say PVP is a result of RP or is at least meant to be here on Freelander Discovery else we wouldn't have rp before engage rules.
Also it's comparable to bullying because the effort of building a base is far more than the effort required to destroy it.
Sure things break easier than they're built but this is like... Stubbing your toe on a brick house and the continent the house is on just out right explodes.
POBs are too easy to destroy on their own away from some capital planet when you organise your siege squad to log on whilst the vast majority of the servers populace is sleeping. Especially the owner/defenders. I've no idea why you can't comprehend that and accept your hypocrisy whilst being fair to the owners for the future of the mod. Just because I say it's unfair doesn't mean I don't do it.
We've all partaken in sieges here. And most of us have partaken in aiding in the construction of a player owned base. Sometimes for only money, other times for an actual rp related investment. You can admit something is either toxic or unbalanced whilst partaking in the action. There isn't actually anything inherently wrong with a show of hypocrisy other than the stigma and personal feelings such as jealousy. Context matters and you just happen to be the catalyst to the debate of the problem regarding offtime siege logging.
Excuse the wording. my sleeping pattern is wrecked. It's 7am for me and I haven't slept.
(05-30-2020, 08:15 PM)Grumblesaur Wrote: and PVP is a mode of roleplay.
Gonna leave that on its own. Kinda speaks for its self.
It is. Some factions are militaristic or aggressive, and attacking things is in their nature. In fighting, they play the role of warriors. Roleplay is not just what we type into the chat or write on the forums. It's our decisions, and our loadouts, and our strategies. It's the alliances we forge, and the bridges we burn. Do you gun down the escort first, or try to get the transport to cough up? Do you pick off the weak link, or try to take down the pack leader? Do you choose to run, or go down fighting? Pay the pirate, or run away? PVP is not just what happens after the engagement lines get dropped. PVP is all the stuff that leads up to that too.
Freelancer is a space shooter and Discovery is a story driven by conflict. Where characters have conflict, there is PVP. The long hunt to find someone whose name shows up in the chat list is PVP, even if you never find them.
PVP is RP. RP is PVP. Negotiation is conflict. Siege is conflict. Some factions prefer to do their battle with words, others with money, and other still with guns.
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PVP is the (one of) Consequences of RP, if you really need that saying to explained in a way that doesn't chafe. It just happens to be one of the more common consequences, out of the many possibilities.
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(06-01-2020, 08:32 AM)sindroms Wrote: PVP is the (one of) Consequences of RP, ... It just happens to be one of the more common consequences, out of the many possibilities.
That is very well put. I like it.
And what engenders PvP is a result of good RP opportunities.
The amount of times I have been hit by pirates around Goldgeist has always brought great RP.. cheeky pleadings... insults and occasionally PvP death.
I doubt if I would have had that many interactions if the PoB wasn't there. It's a hub of activity and a great place to stake out for a hit. Well it was until recently.
(06-01-2020, 08:32 AM)sindroms Wrote: PVP is the (one of) Consequences of RP, if you really need that saying to explained in a way that doesn't chafe. It just happens to be one of the more common consequences, out of the many possibilities.
Agreed, but when you have a mindset of RP as the cost of getting to PvP, you get the current situation. People aren't objecting to PvP or even to a base being destroyed, they are objecting to people that see RP as an impediment to "being able to blow S%$# up!".
(06-01-2020, 08:32 AM)sindroms Wrote: PVP is the (one of) Consequences of RP, if you really need that saying to explained in a way that doesn't chafe. It just happens to be one of the more common consequences, out of the many possibilities.
Agreed, but when you have a mindset of RP as the cost of getting to PvP, you get the current situation. People aren't objecting to PvP or even to a base being destroyed, they are objecting to people that see RP as an impediment to "being able to blow S%$# up!".
People like doing X. People then proceed to do RP that would lead to doing X. Everyone is suddenly surprised.
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I am far more annoyed at military factions cowering from local unlawfuls by staying docked or deliberately not logging in because "they might lose", than I could possibly be annoyed at people for being a bit trigger-happy and often engaging in PvP after relatively minimal RP.
As the local law enforcement it's your job to keep your space safe. It's not your job to sit in orbit of your capital planet, circlejerking about your high ranks and powerful capital ships, while hordes of enemies are roaming your systems and making a mess.
(06-01-2020, 08:32 AM)sindroms Wrote: PVP is the (one of) Consequences of RP, if you really need that saying to explained in a way that doesn't chafe. It just happens to be one of the more common consequences, out of the many possibilities.
Agreed, but when you have a mindset of RP as the cost of getting to PvP, you get the current situation. People aren't objecting to PvP or even to a base being destroyed, they are objecting to people that see RP as an impediment to "being able to blow S%$# up!".
People like doing X. People then proceed to do RP that would lead to doing X. Everyone is suddenly surprised.
Missed the fact that this is Not an action server that requires RP, but, rather an RP server that allows action?
As I said in another place, RP should be more than a MeLance that amounts to, "We Blow S%$# Up Because... Reasons!".
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