[SIEGE/DEFENSE EVENT]Kansas Prelude19:00-21:00 UTC Navy/Lawful vs Auxo/Unlawful

[Lemon]

Don't like it? Don't use it, don't come, don't care, you are big boys, we had a good time, it was a success already

[Semir Gerkhan]

@Czechmate, I think what people are trying to say is that this is a RP server, both in the parts of the forum dedicated to that, and in the entire game. It clearly indicates this every time you connect to the game. That means that everything we do ingame should be governed by RP rules. Not fighting or systematically evade combat is not making good RP. Making a good RP is fighting when it makes sense due to the stories developed within the RP between factions or characters.

Massive battles with no story behind them, apart from the natural rivalry of the factions, are very good, they give life to the server, and they are indeed fun just as you say. However, they could get organized through Discord, instead of creating a clearly forced event so that certain factions can participate in RP lines in which they have little role. Furthermore, without first consulting the other faction that represents the other side in the combat.

This discussion isn't just about whether the fight and the pew pew that occurred due to the event were fun, which they surely were, but about doing things correctly based on the established rules of the server, and mutual respect. That way it would be easier to prevent another battle in the forum after the ingame battle, with people who feel like their RP experience has been stepped on.

This is supposed to be a community, not a set of individualities that compete to "win" in I don't really know what.

All this, said respectfully, and as a mere personal opinion.

[Lemon]

@Czechmate, I think what people are trying to say is that this is a RP server, both in the parts of the forum dedicated to that, and in the entire game. It clearly indicates this every time you connect to the game. That means that everything we do ingame should be governed by RP rules. Not fighting or systematically evade combat is not making good RP. Making a good RP is fighting when it makes sense due to the stories developed within the RP between factions or characters.

Massive battles with no story behind them, apart from the natural rivalry of the factions, are very good, they give life to the server, and they are indeed fun just as you say. However, they could get organized through Discord, instead of creating a clearly forced event so that certain factions can participate in RP lines in which they have little role. Furthermore, without first consulting the other faction that represents the other side in the combat.

This discussion isn't just about whether the fight and the pew pew that occurred due to the event were fun, which they surely were, but about doing things correctly based on the established rules of the server, and mutual respect. That way it would be easier to prevent another battle in the forum after the ingame battle, with people who feel like their RP experience has been stepped on.

This is supposed to be a community, not a set of individualities that compete to "win" in I don't really know what.

All this, said respectfully, and as a mere personal opinion.

Yeah sure, Auxo were asked for their PoV when it was pointed out that they don't like our take, it will be added to OP when they provide it


The story comes first here, but I will admit Auxo PoV I am not an expert in, only Navy - which is why they can submit theirs!

[Levenna]

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[Erremnart]

Sieges are unfun in general - and usually for both sides from my own experience. But that's hardly surprising as it was always like this.

People who want to have fun and have clear hostiles to shoot will always use this opportunity - which is fine as it isn't against the rules - but people who don't like it don't have to attend. It's not mandatory.

If anyone is blaming the guy that he's doing everything he can to save his base - well, that's the point of siege mechanics to begin with, and most people would do the same in his place as he clearly didn't have a chance to defend it himself.


Decide the fate of the base on the battlefield, not here.

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Captain Virginia Belle
Task Force Phoenix
Battlecruiser Roanoke
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[Fab]

The rule "If you don't care, don't post" should be implemented into the forums and be a bannable offense. people seem to forget all player actions and RP is a bunch of "what ifs" until canonized, which is extremely unlikely. if you don't like, care, bother or agree with someone's RP, simply ignore it. no one is pushing for you to acknowledge someone's RP, good or bad. someone roleplayed throwing a nomad nuke into manhattan? uh oh. Anyways.

as long people act within the boundaries of rules, RP justification can be pulled out of thin air. don't bother. "Why would navy care about a station outside its boundaries?" Oh, my character's is a lawful good. He's a hero. what are you going to do about it?

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[Kauket]

None of what your group is doing is consented by anybody else so why don't you sit back and be quiet.

No one is asking you @Kauket about if you like it or not, still your "opinion" is noticed, but as sometimes happen, no one wanna follow that way to view things about it ...

Unfortunately for all the users out there that own a POB that roleplay is mandatory.

This event however, is not mandatory, and everyone sees it as clear as day that it's Lemon wanting to draw attention to himself to paint himself as a 'motivator'. But then again, who doesn't like a big mess to fight in? There is a time and place for it to set up these things. Had it been if LN did not have ZOI, I'd guarantee this would have been written to whoever else had access to big cap lines, like Outcasts, Gaians, or Rogues or some such. Who cares. I've had fun with fighting because it's given a lot of insight of what compositions could work, especially when you have the limitation of no caps, you get to see how the game works.

I'd say making it make sense is a pretty big matter - it does not make sense that he is painting the Technocracy's point of view to be ridiculous because the faction is not about conquesting for new land - only to prevent undesirable catastrophes from exotic alien materials.



Actually it's pretty funny to think majority of this second hand frothing is stemming from refusal to commit to the creativity of roleplaying on the server. Even more funnier when the answer was given for an optimal neutral outcome. Yes, conflict is natural, you cannot please every faction at the same time. Especially you cannot comply to what they see as an issue.

Sieges are unfun in general - and usually for both sides from my own experience. But that's hardly surprising as it was always like this.

People who want to have fun and have clear hostiles to shoot will always use this opportunity - which is fine as it isn't against the rules - but people who don't like it don't have to attend. It's not mandatory.

If anyone is blaming the guy that he's doing everything he can to save his base - well, that's the point of siege mechanics to begin with, and most people would do the same in his place as he clearly didn't have a chance to defend it himself.

Oh, I doubt anyone was surprised that LN indies are defending it. Guaranteed protection is supposed to happen if you put your POB in house space anyway, and people will want to go to pews. And there's always a risk of where you place your POB, and even more so with what you say and do to publicly announce to the sector in ungoverned space. Shit happens.

There was an option to genuinely avoid it all - since I presented OORPly a means to give a proper narrative reasoning to ignore the fact that there's a base dealing with alien stuff right next to a spot thats supposed to be guarded - and I explicitly stated - clear as day - that I know how much of a pain it is to build those modules which is why I wanted a peaceful solution. A solution where he loses nothing but unironically gains things (he would have gained a defender, gained possible mutual mining). But he harrassed one of my members in PM, and then started assuming that presenting a character means you're getting griefed and started getting careless with the RP. That is why there are some distastes.

Actually it's pretty identical behaviour to powertraders assuming you're being griefed if a pirate is asking for some credits. Oh well, it happens, unfortunately, too much in Disco. Personally I'm just in this for the pews and analysing group gameplay since it is hard to get huge group fights.

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[Erremnart]

Oh, I doubt anyone was surprised that LN indies are defending it. Guaranteed protection is supposed to happen if you put your POB in house space anyway, and people will want to go to pews. And there's always a risk of where you place your POB, and even more so with what you say and do to publicly announce to the sector in ungoverned space. Shit happens.

There was an option to genuinely avoid it all - since I presented OORPly a means to give a proper narrative reasoning to ignore the fact that there's a base dealing with alien stuff right next to a spot thats supposed to be guarded - and I explicitly stated - clear as day - that I know how much of a pain it is to build those modules which is why I wanted a peaceful solution. A solution where he loses nothing but unironically gains things (he would have gained a defender, gained possible mutual mining). But he harrassed one of my members in PM, and then started assuming that presenting a character means you're getting griefed and started getting careless with the RP. That is why there are some distastes.

Actually it's pretty identical behaviour to powertraders assuming you're being griefed if a pirate is asking for some credits. Oh well, it happens, unfortunately, too much in Disco. Personally I'm just in this for the pews and analysing group gameplay since it is hard to get huge group fights.

So, I actually don't want to judge who is more in the right or not. In my opinion, the siege of this POB from your faction's perspective is justified - you have some goals and this aligns with them pretty nicely. Likewise, the motivation of the Bounty Hunters and Liberty Navy to be there despite it being just desolate Kansas is good enough too. It's practically the same as if they were responding to a larger number of Liberty Rogues or Xenos somewhere in Ontario - which, like Kansas, is actually also an independent world, but practically does not border any other House than Liberty - which means zero risk of any diplomatic incident.

Besides, the motivation to shoot their enemies is actually the simplest for lawful characters - their task is not to think about why enemy X or Y is doing this or that. And if they like their cozy spot on board their large capital ship (which practically belongs to their House inRP, not them personally), then they should do what they are paid for - shooting at whoever their legitimate government has decided is the enemy.
Of course, I'm not saying that all lawful players should play as connbots, but in practical effect compared to the much freer unlawfuls, that's actually what is expected of soldiers and police officers. That's ultimately the reason why I, for instance, don't actually have a lawful main character, because playing a proper soldier is actually boring for me in the long run.

In this situation, it would be much weirder, and I would probably even object, if fleets of Outcasts came to defend this POB. Like, imagine them wasting their precious lives for some freelancers.

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Captain Virginia Belle
Task Force Phoenix
Battlecruiser Roanoke
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[Wildkins]

We believe the discussion about the merits of the event has run its course. Please keep future posts on-topic of organizing attendance for the event.