Politics and Role Play

[Elvin]

Not only are there specific actions of your adjudicator, specifically him changing to his Order Osiris to BS-whore individual BD, GC, and OC fighters/bombers in the system.
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No, when he is at Yanagi, he simply sits behind a small neutrality shield. We've dealt with him abusing that so he can later attack us at will in an Osiris long enough, don't expect us to keep letting him sit there and prohibiting us from docking Yanagi for resupply and repair for much longer, whether Junkers like it or not.

Anyone actually saw that? I know you are mentioning almost in every post you have made in last week, but any proof? I really havent seen him docking GB and undocking Osiris to kill everything. And Im seeing him a lot of time. I mean, why should he speak about politics with BD and CG , about realitions and neutrality, and then relog and kill them, thats not logical.

So again, Dab, any proof?

PS: Will not comment the rest, dont want to get caught in the shoutining, but the one I written above ... Im just wondering.

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[Cawdor]

Sorry I just dropped in here....

right, so your char put a _corsair_ in charge of a neutral junker base in the middle of a non-aligned system swarmed with OCs and their allies, without even having support of eventually allied corsair. woa thats not quite smart haha. sounds like Zoners putting an OC don in charge of fp9 or a Bretonian in charge of FP6!

total suicide mate.


Edit: and since you are passing a great deal of power and influence (which the junkers don't want to keep for some reason) to a corsair, you shoooouuuld try to keep a low profile about it. if hessians find it out, sh*t will hit the fan in rheinland ...
not talking down here or something, just telling, you know =/

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[Stoat]

I love what I'm seeing you trying to pull off with the Junkers Tink. At the same time I can see a lot of the concerns that the OCs have about GreenHawk. Can I clarify something? Is Green Hawk still directly influenced by the Corsairs? ie does he still have a corsair tag and ID. If so, I don't see how this can work. It's too much of a red rag to ALL Outcast and allied parties. If however he's dropped his Corsair ID and taken a Junker one (and logs as a special character on the forums) then I can only see RP potential.

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[Jihadjoe]

Hiring a single Corsair to work at a single station for a single Junker group is not "choosing sides in the war". Let's not be over dramatic.

No Corsair hordes have appeared at Yanagi--ironically, your allies the Dragons have seen it possible to get along.

Have you actualy spoken to the only BD faction, NovaPG? (HG have now merged back with the Nova) Because that strikes me as a very big statement to make about it.

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[Culebra]

This has the potential for some really good RP. I think at this point the ball is in the outcasts hands. Will they revert to violence or try a more intellectual tactic? Dun dun dun....

[Dab]

Anyone actually saw that? I know you are mentioning almost in every post you have made in last week, but any proof? I really havent seen him docking GB and undocking Osiris to kill everything. And Im seeing him a lot of time. I mean, why should he speak about politics with BD and CG , about realitions and neutrality, and then relog and kill them, thats not logical.

So again, Dab, any proof?

PS: Will not comment the rest, dont want to get caught in the shoutining, but the one I written above ... Im just wondering.

The two times it happened to me, I did not know El Nino was also Green Hawk, so I never took screenshots of him changing characters from Green Hawk to El Nino. Other may have, and I'll find out. We've told all Outcasts to screenshot if Green Hawk tries intercepting any more Cardi haulers, or if El Nino appears in Sig-13 again. I don't have proof, but you can ask whoever owns the Hogosyu Ryuu Dragon BS, as well as Enya Shinkaku of GC. There was an indie BD HF there as well, but can't remember his name. When I get home this evening, I'll check my Freelancer Shots folder, as I believe I have a screenshot of that battle. You'll see that it is in Sigma-13. While that does not prove thats why his BS is there.. Well, why did it attack us in the first place if he is supposed to be Adjudicator for Sigma-13? Further, why is it there in the first place? Its Order.
"I mean, why should he speak about politics with BD and CG , about realitions and neutrality, and then relog and kill them, thats not logical."
Of course its illogical. Thats the whole point. He ISN'T acting as Adjudicator. He is using his position as a means to pvp whore in Sigma-13 in his battleship, and using his Junker-protected Corsair to find a lone target he can kill in his BS before that ship's reinforcements arrive. Thats my entire point about it. He is pvp whoring and using this Adjudicator position as a shield. Thats one of several OORP reasons why this isn't going well. There are also several RP reasons, which I outlined. Joe also mentioned the Cardamine smugglers who have been interdicted before, and are now threatened everytime they pass Yanagi, directly and indirectly.

I love what I'm seeing you trying to pull off with the Junkers Tink. At the same time I can see a lot of the concerns that the OCs have about GreenHawk. Can I clarify something? Is Green Hawk still directly influenced by the Corsairs? ie does he still have a corsair tag and ID. If so, I don't see how this can work. It's too much of a red rag to ALL Outcast and allied parties. If however he's dropped his Corsair ID and taken a Junker one (and logs as a special character on the forums) then I can only see RP potential.

Green Hawk is still fully affiliated as a Corsair. Corsair Gunboat, Corsair tag, Corsair ID.

Have you actualy spoken to the only BD faction, NovaPG? (HG have now merged back with the Nova) Because that strikes me as a very big statement to make about it.

As far as I can tell from past posts, all relations mentioned between Green Hawk and the BD are between him and independant Blood Dragons. I highly doubt the NovaPG would take tis approach. HG would, but thats an entirely different story due to them attempting neutrality between the OC and Corsair, and staying out of the war, plus they are gone now, remerged with NovaPG.

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[Elvin]

The two times it happened to me, I did not know El Nino was also Green Hawk, so I never took screenshots of him changing characters from Green Hawk to El Nino. Other may have, and I'll find out. We've told all Outcasts to screenshot if Green Hawk tries intercepting any more Cardi haulers, or if El Nino appears in Sig-13 again. I don't have proof, but you can ask whoever owns the Hogosyu Ryuu Dragon BS, as well as Enya Shinkaku of GC. There was an indie BD HF there as well, but can't remember his name. When I get home this evening, I'll check my Freelancer Shots folder, as I believe I have a screenshot of that battle. You'll see that it is in Sigma-13. While that does not prove thats why his BS is there.. Well, why did it attack us in the first place if he is supposed to be Adjudicator for Sigma-13? Further, why is it there in the first place? Its Order.

Well then IF it really is like that, then it IS a problem. Even I have to agree. But I would welcome some screening, and talk with Green Hawk as well... Opinion of all sides should taken to avoid some misunderstanding... (But I belive he is having some exams now so I guess hes not around to talk much), But well, if its simple as it sounds from you, then its really wrong acting.

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[Junker]

Ok--one...more time...

TO MY KNOWLEDGE, Green Hawk hasn't character switched or reengaged. If he did--file a sanction report or PM me details.

You are merging a role play issue with trial by forum on this point. I don't support any such action and I have MADE THAT CLEAR.

Follow the server rules regarding this please.

As to the ROLE PLAY:

Green Hawk is not "Order" and "Corsair"--if there is an Order Osiris there, it is not "Green Hawk" it is a pretty likely oorp Order character.

Again--follow the server rules here please.

Finally...He is a Corsair ROLE PLAYING a POLITICAL appointment in a PLAYER FACTION. Just as I can ignore Outcast ship registration or clan "laws" you can ignore the Congress and his role

But hey, how about we do it in role play--instead of forum debates.

Please sort out the rules from role play arguments and deal with them properly.

Tink

[Jihadjoe]

This -is- being sorted out with RP.

This was started as a non RP thread asking the OC weren't being diplomatic. We have now explianed why the outcasts (ic) annoyed by it in this non rp thread, because for some unknown reason it wasn't apparant from the RP posts we made.

This is no trial by forum, this is a discussion -about- roleplay. No need to be so angry.

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[Lohingren]

dont you think your getting a bit big for your boots here tinker??? cummon your not thinking this through at all are you? junkers hate hogosha with a passion, who is allied with hogosha? il let you answer that question, so your letting a corsair run one of your main bases if not your main base.... Right next to the blood dragons.... which im sure wont be happy about this infact you can probably expect a hostile reaction, Outcasts...... yeah il probably tear that place to bits if i find a corsair ruling the show.... dont forget who you are now tinker mate.... your not a military your not even a corporation... your a buncha scrap heap tenders...... the junkers wouldnt make this move... because frankly they would get steam rolled... think it through bud.

EDIT: hell put it in a RP point of view, that base is not defended very well 2 bombers would be able to whipe it off the map in not long at all, its a small outpost.... making friends with people is not something you would be doing.... infact theres a good reason Junkers dont get involved in the corsair/oc war EVEN though they dont like the corsairs much...... its because if they joined the OC corsairs would tear em to bits... if they joined corsairs the Outcasts would do so.

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