Authority of Independents

[Tenacity]

With the forum being faction heavy, and with many faction people here having multiple logins and therefore multiple votes, this should be a landside against the indy.

I have no currently factionalized characters, and I voted no.

I think that indies can EARN the right to have SIMILAR authority to faction leaders, but really... you're independent either because:
a) your RP/behavior wasnt good enough for the faction
or
b) you didnt want to spend 3-4 months in a fighter just to be able to fly something you like better

Admittedly, i'm the B type - I originally set up aki as an independent sub-commander of a zoner destroyer working with an order id/tag/weapons. I didnt want to spend 2 months in a fighter to even be considered for a promotion to be able to use the ship, because frankly I suck in fighters. I tried to apply to black squadron several months later and was told I'd have to go back to a fighter for another two months, and give up all the RP I had done prior to that, as well as my ship.

However, I've put effort into my RP as well as into the order in general. I've helped countless players get their rep so they could join the order - even Bs members. I've defended order space against dozens upon dozens of hostile incursions. I've stopped more smugglers from moving cardamine through order space than most other order players combined. I've put in the effort, and I've gotten the reward out of it - respect and recognition by both independents and Black squadron players. I've earned myself a rank and level of authority granted by black squadron's leaders because of the work I've put in, and the work I continue to put in.

If an independent wants 'equal rights', they need to put in at least as much effort as I have. I try to set an example for independents in -all- factions, yet few listen - and they end up crying on the forums because a faction doesnt like how they're playing and either kills them or denies them access to a particular ship, area, peice of equipment, etc.

You only get out as much as you put in.

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[Akumabito]

Thank you, your negativity is noted.

Simple facts, not negativity. Go to a KKK meeting and have a vote on minority rights.

but really... you're independent either because:
a) your RP/behavior wasnt good enough for the faction
or
b) you didnt want to spend 3-4 months in a fighter just to be able to fly something you like better

Or c) you have no respect for people who get their jolies bullying people who don't join their faction.

Many of the faction leaders simply have not shown leadership.

[Xing]

Voted No.
as a majorly indie player.

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[Thexare]

I have no currently factionalized characters, and I voted no.

I think that indies can EARN the right to have SIMILAR authority to faction leaders, but really... you're independent either because:
a) your RP/behavior wasnt good enough for the faction
or
b) you didnt want to spend 3-4 months in a fighter just to be able to fly something you like better

or
c) you dislike people in or running the faction
or
d) you have something in mind that doesn't mesh well with - but doesn't conflict with - the established factions (for example, an Outcast working primarily in Bretonia or Liberty has no factions to join)
or
e) there isn't a faction (see: Hogosha)
or
f) (insert reason here)

I agree with you, but seriously, you didn't think this comment through very much.

[bluntpencil2001]

Simple facts, not negativity. Go to a KKK meeting and have a vote on minority rights.
Or c) you have no respect for people who get their jolies bullying people who don't join their faction.

Many of the faction leaders simply have not shown leadership.

Okay, this is ridiculous. A step too far. Likening those that disagree with you to people that lynch black people is disgusting.

'You're a Nazi! I'm being oppressed!'

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[n00bl3t]

Okay, this is ridiculous. A step too far. Likening those that disagree with you to people that lynch black people is disgusting.

'You're a Nazi! I'm being oppressed!'

He was not using Ad Hominem here, he was using an example which would "click" into most people's mind as an analogy which is easily identifiable.

Do you really think Akumabito could inspire empathy?

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Saigo.Watanabe]

I have no currently factionalized characters, and I voted no.

I think that indies can EARN the right to have SIMILAR authority to faction leaders, but really... you're independent either because:
a) your RP/behavior wasnt good enough for the faction
or
b) you didnt want to spend 3-4 months in a fighter just to be able to fly something you like better

Admittedly, i'm the B type - I originally set up aki as an independent sub-commander of a zoner destroyer working with an order id/tag/weapons. I didnt want to spend 2 months in a fighter to even be considered for a promotion to be able to use the ship, because frankly I suck in fighters. I tried to apply to black squadron several months later and was told I'd have to go back to a fighter for another two months, and give up all the RP I had done prior to that, as well as my ship.

However, I've put effort into my RP as well as into the order in general. I've helped countless players get their rep so they could join the order - even Bs members. I've defended order space against dozens upon dozens of hostile incursions. I've stopped more smugglers from moving cardamine through order space than most other order players combined. I've put in the effort, and I've gotten the reward out of it - respect and recognition by both independents and Black squadron players. I've earned myself a rank and level of authority granted by black squadron's leaders because of the work I've put in, and the work I continue to put in.

If an independent wants 'equal rights', they need to put in at least as much effort as I have. I try to set an example for independents in -all- factions, yet few listen - and they end up crying on the forums because a faction doesnt like how they're playing and either kills them or denies them access to a particular ship, area, peice of equipment, etc.

You only get out as much as you put in.

Said Perfectly. In my opinion

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[bluntpencil2001]

He was not using Ad Hominem here, he was using an example which would "click" into most people's mind as an analogy which is easily identifiable.

Do you really think Akumabito could inspire empathy?

Far too extreme an analogy, especially considering his usual choice of language and tone.

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[Tenacity]

Many of the faction leaders simply have not shown leadership.

Name one. That's all I ask, name a single person who is currently the head of an official faction who you believe is not fit for the job, and give reasons why.

c) you dislike people in or running the faction

That's a possibility, but in most cases if you really dislike the person running the faction, it's because they've denied you access to the faction or it's territories in the past - and generally with good reason.

d) you have something in mind that doesn't mesh well with - but doesn't conflict with - the established factions (for example, an Outcast working primarily in Bretonia or Liberty has no factions to join)

That shouldnt impact your decision. I see factionalized people in odd areas all the time - hell, I saw an [LN] in omicron gamma the other day. for the most part, the 101st, RoS, or SoB (especially SOB) shouldnt care if you decide to operate in an area such as bretonia or rheinland - but you're likely going to be operating on your own most of the time.

e) there isn't a faction (see: Hogosha)

True, but then there isnt anyone to regulate how you play, so the entire argument that this thread presents is void.

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[n00bl3t]

Said Perfectly. In my opinion

Me-too in the forming?

Far too extreme an analogy, especially considering his usual choice of language and tone.

Eh. Seen worse.

Name one. That's all I ask, name a single person who is currently the head of an official faction who you believe is not fit for the job, and give reasons why.
That's a possibility, but in most cases if you really dislike the person running the faction, it's because they've denied you access to the faction or it's territories in the past - and generally with good reason.
That shouldnt impact your decision. I see factionalized people in odd areas all the time - hell, I saw an [LN] in omicron gamma the other day. for the most part, the 101st, RoS, or SoB (especially SOB) shouldnt care if you decide to operate in an area such as bretonia or rheinland - but you're likely going to be operating on your own most of the time.
True, but then there isnt anyone to regulate how you play, so the entire argument that this thread presents is void.

SwissScorch, forum diplomacy skills need work.

Nothing against him personally as I have never actually come across Bs| much in order space.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.