Regarding the restriction on Liberty caps

[jshkornmiller]

Take a guardian, follow the lawful weapon restrictions, and beat a gunboat that's packing missiles.

Then come back and talk about it.

Listen, beleive me i have done this, us thats been here for awhile have done many things. This new directive from liberty is not a bad thing, they're trying to improve the rp experience for everyone. People are getting tired of going in and trying to RP then five minutes later have twenty cruisers, battlecruisers or battleships come and beat the crap out of them. Why argue the point. you newer people are making this a *civil war* not the LN. Whats going to happen when liberty and riheland go to war? they'll already be weakend because you all split from the navy. from what i have also seen is they are not asking you to sell and get rid of your caps, just don't be using them to police the area. that is left up to the LPI, not naval capital vessel. those are used for war. Now, you're going to say,
"We're at war with rogue!"
Technically, no, they are a criminal faction, much like local gangs in real life,So, that means the lpi, being a police organization, would be the one who gets the job of arresting them. the navy is only there for defense of the nation, encase of war.

[TDLdark]

Anyways...regarding the topic...

As a LN member I have fought alongside many indies, and for the most part, many of the LNS ones follow my orders and know not to capwhore (such as the yellowstone)

The question is how do they prove they are trust able? Obviously, many indies are going to apply to get onto the list of allowed caps. How will they register. Via a thread? How will we know in game whether or not they are being watched?

This is the problem with outright banning everybody, as it's hard to prove your worth is your banned and not allowed to show your stuff in the first place.

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TDL Dark pretty much hit the nail on the head..

Ypsilantis Family

[Titan]

The High Command will watch those that we approve, and if others who are responding here now actually bothered to bloody read the start of the thread, or the actual RP announcement of it, they'd know that we already have about 8-10 indies allowed to operate in Liberty, and that they only need to PM us a story and if its not utter crap, we will allow them to fly on a trial period in which we'll watch their in game RP. That is all. It's not particularly hard to understand now, is it?

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[VincentFerrex]

Anyways...regarding the topic...

As a LN member I have fought alongside many indies, and for the most part, many of the LNS ones follow my orders and know not to capwhore (such as the yellowstone)

The question is how do they prove they are trust able? Obviously, many indies are going to apply to get onto the list of allowed caps. How will they register. Via a thread? How will we know in game whether or not they are being watched?

This is the problem with outright banning everybody, as it's hard to prove your worth is your banned and not allowed to show your stuff in the first place.

Simple. Tell them to send a PM to members of [LN] High Command with an application and a RP-story. Then they get a trial period. If they show themselves that they are worthy to be entrusted a capital ship, then we'll let them.

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[Cowboy]

Listen, beleive me i have done this, us thats been here for awhile have done many things. This new directive from liberty is not a bad thing, they're trying to improve the rp experience for everyone. People are getting tired of going in and trying to RP then five minutes later have twenty cruisers, battlecruisers or battleships come and beat the crap out of them. Why argue the point. you newer people are making this a *civil war* not the LN. Whats going to happen when liberty and riheland go to war? they'll already be weakend because you all split from the navy. from what i have also seen is they are not asking you to sell and get rid of your caps, just don't be using them to police the area. that is left up to the LPI, not naval capital vessel. those are used for war. Now, you're going to say,
"We're at war with rogue!"
Technically, no, they are a criminal faction, much like local gangs in real life,So, that means the lpi, being a police organization, would be the one who gets the job of arresting them. the navy is only there for defense of the nation, encase of war.

Only problem with this is the LPI is underequipped to handle 99% of the pirates that enter manhattan, so yeah, the navy has been having to do their job.

I'm all for improving the experience for everyone, and having more fun, but so far, I haven't seen the evidence of these battlecruisers hunting down lone fighters, I'm on teamspeak with these guys constantly (on the discovery server so feel free to join in) and generally, unless we know there are hostile capitals in system (like mon'star and the order Osiris we were trying to find last night) and we're patrolling around and happen to run into a fighter that happens to engage the capitals (for whatever reason), they will actually switch characters and log onto their fighters and we fly as a wing.

Maybe there are others more culpable for these claims, but I still don't think it's a good idea to ban them all. that's why the civil war has started (Ingame RP consequences of captains being told to stand down when they feel they are doing the right thing and defending their homeland).

Can't wait for 4.85 though, liberty fleets versus rheinland fleets, that is gonna be some damn good times, hope we can resolve this by then.

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[TDLdark]

In that case, shouldn't JihadJoe's post in the message dump be modified so it states something along the lines of "contact so and so privately to discuss active service details" becuase there is no where that states sending a PM to ask for a trial period. Perhaps if the post were not so much alienating as helpful and directional (just my 2 cents).

Edit: Liberty laws should be edited as well

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TDL Dark pretty much hit the nail on the head..

Ypsilantis Family

[Orin]

I haven't seen the evidence of these battlecruisers hunting down lone fighters

Conveniently.

It's not in question whether this happens or not. It does. Not more than a week ago I was ganked by multiple capships in... drumroll please... a Barghest.

[jimmy Patterson]

That's right Boss, only liberty friendly affiliated vessels are subject to it. And Xing has moved Isabelle to kusari now I believe.

as i just posted jimmy (the rp chr not the fourm name ie me) has also moved to kusari i stil lkeep one cap the Battlecruiser Louisbourg fortress as frankly the 'Falls never had enough guns for the problems when me and xing were in liberty half the time the indiesd were our only suport(agenst like 5 gunboats 2 bomber wings and battleships,to name a few)while the LN were in connecicut so seeing the gunboat as not being big enough i roleplayed upgradeing to a LABC when jim left liberty he transfered the ship to his XO first liutenant tomas Mathers

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kudos tommeh for sig

[SGTMatt]

Remember malak a few of us idies have ben around a while. Kearsarge has been patroling for way more then a year.

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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

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[Eppy]

I haven't seen the evidence of these battlecruisers hunting down lone fighters

You're joking, right? I haven't played in two weeks and I've been seeing it. Think about that...

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Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.