Regarding the restriction on Liberty caps

[Linkus]

19 pages? Somewhat expected I suppose.

All the same, simply saying this.

The LN, LSF, LPI factions TRIED to work with other ideas. Yes they may not have the best reputation and some of their members can be complete *******s but the leaders themselves do try, and actively are trying, to work with Independants and others.
It has gone on for months now and in the end, this was the only option that truely offered the best solution.

In reality, all it is doing is asking Independants to have a good RP backing. It may not work with the LN etc RP 100% but if it is good, the leaders of the LN etc are definately smart enough to accept it and leave them be.

Yes this is a way for the LN to regain control but not over Liberty or over independants as a whole but over those who are blatently OORP (Mainly through lack of any RP).


So please do give them some time. Try work with it and just give it a shot. If you don't like it in a few weeks, raise the issue again.

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[Jihadjoe]

wow you people are pathetic and as i no longer play here, i can say whatever i want about it within the forum rules.
Your acting like frakking dictators just because you people lead some god forsaken faction called the Liberty Navy doesnt give you the right to play god and prevent indies from RPing.
and its also because i have a personal problem with restricting of caps by house factions, but thats just me

and i really dont give a damn if you people flame me, this is my opinion and im going to stand by it

*fades into shadows*
/rant end

EDIT: forgot to add something

i dont care who you are even if you are god himself if i want to buy a cap, ill buy one and by god, ill RP it
no one restricts me except the rules
/end second rant

Vape.

As I have repeated a fair few times now, this is not about stopping people from flying ships. I want to see indy navy caps around hell, I like it. The reason I have done this is to resolve an issue with overkill from liberty lawful people. I can order people within the LN to cease fire or to back off when overkill is being applied, but all too many times I have stood helpless to do anything while someone, alone in an unlawful fighter, is utterly raped by a pack of caps which I have no way of stopping.

I am making this restriction in order to bring a culture of fair play to liberty, not out of any will to control people's RP. People who have disagreed with this have been accepted already, and people who have shaky roleplay skills will be helped with them, but not refused based on a lack of story writing ability.

I don't expect anyone to be entirely in line with our RP, hell I don't even expect absolute compliance with our orders. They are indies for a reason.

All I want to see is -some- RP and the attitude which prevents people from overkilling. Hell I'll even let a little overkill slide as we all make mistakes sometimes. I know I have.

As I said before, the idea behind this is not to stop everyone from flying caps, but to get people to change their attitude to the game. So far I am seeing it work. Liberty currently doesn't have...

A. Tons of oorp trash.
B. People complaining about getting ganked.

I consider this to be a success

We have already added people to the roster of approved ships who were initialy very much against this restirction, as they have actualy listened and seen the reaosn behind it.

It is -very- easy to get approved.

I hope that deals with any of the issues you raised, and if not, feel free to PM me.

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[hribek]

It might not be as obvious ...

... but capital ships are actually less of a threat for pirates than fighters, with only one exception ... gunboats (especially those with lots of missiles). Anything bigger you can shake easily in debris fields, unless you're flying a lone pirate gunboat. In that case the pirate is screwed anyway and deserves a capship response.

Also I'd say a major portion of pirates focuses on fighting the lawful forces, which should be the neccessary evil, not a goal.

I fully support the LN on this one. If there are any stranded, liberty-banished capital ships without support, they are easy target for pirates. Also some of the Xenos or Phantoms might help you make this happen ... I think. So it's a civil war you can win.

[Magoo!]

Oh my! Twenty pages in one day? Well... I'm not up to date on my most recent 200 posts, so I'll just say...

For once, I love the LN.

Moving on - Isn't the idea behind the LN and the LNS slightly... Oh, redundant? "Hey guys, we're the Liberty Navy!" - "Oh whats up, we're Liberty Navy Ships!"

I recommend a merger, but I know that wont happen. Too many indies with their pride at stake, but really it is quite annoying seeing the LN trying to induce order and then forty-two cruisers, nineteen dreadnoughts, three battlecruisers, and eighty-eight gunboats come storming in saying, "NAY!" (LNS) ... With absolutely no fighters, by the way.

-Edit- Oh, I never said my point... Well, I think I was going to reiterate my support. Umm... Alright! Yay! Pwn those unauthorized indy caps!

[Vape]

Vape.

As I have repeated a fair few times now, this is not about stopping people from flying ships. I want to see indy navy caps around hell, I like it. The reason I have done this is to resolve an issue with overkill from liberty lawful people. I can order people within the LN to cease fire or to back off when overkill is being applied, but all too many times I have stood helpless to do anything while someone, alone in an unlawful fighter, is utterly raped by a pack of caps which I have no way of stopping.

I am making this restriction in order to bring a culture of fair play to liberty, not out of any will to control people's RP. People who have disagreed with this have been accepted already, and people who have shaky roleplay skills will be helped with them, but not refused based on a lack of story writing ability.

I don't expect anyone to be entirely in line with our RP, hell I don't even expect absolute compliance with our orders. They are indies for a reason.

All I want to see is -some- RP and the attitude which prevents people from overkilling. Hell I'll even let a little overkill slide as we all make mistakes sometimes. I know I have.

As I said before, the idea behind this is not to stop everyone from flying caps, but to get people to change their attitude to the game. So far I am seeing it work. Liberty currently doesn't have...

A. Tons of oorp trash.
B. People complaining about getting ganked.

I consider this to be a success

We have already added people to the roster of approved ships who were initialy very much against this restirction, as they have actualy listened and seen the reaosn behind it.

It is -very- easy to get approved.

I hope that deals with any of the issues you raised, and if not, feel free to PM me.

eh there are certain situations when overkill is useful

IE fighting a phantom (or a jedi or any better pilot) (at least in my opinion, im never gonna bring a fighter to fight a phantom, or against any better pilot than me, im gonna make sure i have either a tactical advantage or i level the playing field, in short i use common sense)
plus meh, i love caps, i feel more secure in one ( and am so much better a cap pilot than fighter pilot, fighters look cool, but caps are harder to kill)

EDIT: my opinion is partially because i hate it when people order me around, its not in my personality to be told what to do (if you know me, im quite stubborn and fiercely independent, and dont like people who try to order me around)

EDIT2: and joe since when have you been lawful?

and it clears stuff up sorta, but meh im not playing anymore so it really doesnt matter atm (maybe until 4.85 comes out)

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[bluntpencil2001]

EDIT: my opinion is partially because i hate it when people order me around,

Then don't roleplay as people in a military. It's a HUGE part of the job.

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[Titan]

Thanks for all the support people, the rest of you...well, kindly go away:P Anyhow, me and Joe've been online today a lot and I know its only one day, but Liberty was almost a haven of RP, not a single line of ooRP for a long, long time and tons of RP, indies and LN working together hand in hand and all respecting the chain of command, it seems this is doing more good than bad for all you warmongers:P

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[Orin]

Considerate system? Contact one of the HC to find out whether they put you on a list. No guaranteed turn-around time listed. Nothing stopping them from being bias. (Affecting all, even those who have role-played with them in the past, have a good RP and even have written something on the forum just to explain the vessel better.)

People who have disagreed with this have been accepted already, and people who have shaky roleplay skills will be helped with them, but not refused based on a lack of story writing ability.

I don't expect anyone to be entirely in line with our RP, hell I don't even expect absolute compliance with our orders. They are indies for a reason.

That's a considerate system. If you don't think so, you're just being uselessly difficult.

Now, your ridiculous example. Is it meant to make all independent capital ship owners look like they want to shoot everything in sight? Or perhaps, make it look like they all suffer from some sort of impediment?

No, not all. Give me a break n00bl3t, how many times have I said - and the LN said - here that the ones that are responsible and RP will be allowed? Some indy cap owners, yes, just like I said.

Shooting squirrels = Overkilling

Bad in one eye = Unacceptable RP ("engaging" etc.)

Rediculous example? Maybe if I blindy threw all indy cap owners into the crosshairs, but I didn't. Now did I? Take more than 3 seconds to interpret my posts, please. Don't just make it out to sound as bad as it could possibly be to prove your point.

The server rules filter out OoRP/bad role-players. (Hence, no need for this.)

As I said earlier, note.

the admin team has too much on their plate to make sure the server is "fun" for everyone.

Attacking a single Greyhound with say, 3 dreadnaughts, 4 cruisers, and 3 gunboats (yes, crazy hypothetical example) isn't against server rule, but it's not too fun for the pirate, no? This is the kind of thing that the players need to work out themselves. We can't rely on a handful of admins with busy lives themselves to handle everything, and unless they specifically say "You guys can't do this restriction." there's nothing wrong with this.

Edit:

im never gonna bring a fighter to fight a phantom, or against any better pilot than me, im gonna make sure i have either a tactical advantage or i level the playing field, in short i use common sense

Real world, and selfish, thinking. This is a game, we do our best to make it fun for everyone. Just because you would send the superior force to win in real life, doesn't mean we should do the same here. Things are funner for everyone when both sides have a chance.

[n00bl3t]

That's a considerate system. If you don't think so, you're just being uselessly difficult.
No, not all. Give me a break n00bl3t, how many times have I said - and the LN said - here that the ones that are responsible and RP will be allowed? Some indy cap owners, yes, just like I said.

Shooting squirrels = Overkilling

Bad in one eye = Unacceptable RP ("engaging" etc.)

Rediculous example? Maybe if I blindy threw all indy cap owners into the crosshairs, but I didn't. Now did I? Take more than 3 seconds to interpret my posts, please. Don't just make it out to sound as bad as it could possibly be to prove your point.
As I said earlier, note.

If I disagree with certain parts of the registration I am being uselessly difficult? Right. Why even bother to make a thread?

Noted.

<strike>(I am still waiting for Joe to contact me.)</strike> Scratch that, he got me on Skype after this post.

Edit: You did not. However, this thread targets all.

Do not make it sound as bad as possible? I have no idea whether you believe me or not, but I could make it sound a lot worse. That was sanitised.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Orin]

If I disagree with certain parts of the registration I am being uselessly difficult? Right. Why even bother to make a thread?

It is a considerate system. You can disagree with a considerate system, but that doesn't make it inconsiderate. Understand?

You did not. However, this thread targets all.

Explain to me how it targets "all", if right off the bat players known to be responsible and to RP were allowed exception, and now is allowing many more via a considerate system. Please.

Do not make it sound as bad as possible? I have no idea whether you believe me or not, but I could make it sound a lot worse. That was sanitised.

Ah, so you could have trolled worse?

"Noted."