Discussion of Order Council

[n00bl3t]

The admins first say you cannot dictate RP to indies, and now they are behind you on forbidding indies to initiate attacks on someone hostile on their infocard?

This looks promising. Want to elaborate, admins? (Not Wolfpack, I know what you are going for here, and I want to hear admin word.)
Edit: Also, Tenacity is more pro-Bs than most Bs members, so I fail to see a well thought-out council here.

I too want an Admin-input on this thread.

Apart from that, independent order representatives on the council are a complete and utter surprise.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Eppy]

Direct and total unilateral control assumed over an entire NPC faction in the space of 72 hours by a force up until very recently not even existent in this game universe. That's extremely strong, even by my standards, and I invented indie oppression on this server. Tread carefully. The Messiah factor runs out very fast.

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[Wolfpack98]

If people have a BETTER suggestion for independents, Please, by all means, let me know.

And by the way guys the command council is a VOTING body, meaning the 4 member will vote on matters, and if there's a tie, I'll be the tie breaker.

Just cause i'm Bs| doesn't mean i'm going to vote in their favor... Swiss and Ascendency both know how many times I've shot them both down about certain things so don't go getting cocky here..

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[Dra1003]

Thats nice to know you did eppy.....>_>

Anyway i can allready see a few people are going to complain over this but i support it. By definition the Order is not a terrorist group and even if they were to ever go to NY it should certainly NOT be in a bloody battleship or something..

Heres on suggestion if they simply HAVE to go to ny for whatever reason make it so they CANT bring any caps only fighters.

We dont need civilian casualty's now do we?

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[Orin]

my $.02

And there's my point exactly. Say one person thinks the Order should never attack Liberty, another does not. The one (and the one with the power, the faction) is now allowed to force the other into the way they think it should be done? Even when the infocard says Liberty Navy/Security Force/Police Inc: Hostile?

If the infocard diplomacy in 4.85 changes, then we'll talk. Until then, I do not agree with this, and am disturbed that the admins supposedly approve, against their own notices.

[n00bl3t]

Eppy: :lol:

Anyway i can allready see a few people are going to complain over this but i support it. By definition the Order is not a terrorist group and even if they were to ever go to NY it should certainly NOT be in a bloody battleship or something..

Wait and see before complaining.

At the moment, the battleship is the best ship to take to NY. It can RP being cloaked and observing situations without participating in combat. (Which is what my Order character does, except it moves about to other houses.)

Edit: For once, I look as if I have a moderate view on things. Wow.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Linkus]

Junker Congress.
You are essentially doing something along the same lines except for one rather..major difference.
They didn't try a thinly-veiled power grab to dominate all the independants in their NPC faction.

Independants can answer to who they want, that is where the entire name 'Independant' came from. This ruling body is merely a figurehead council set up to make things look pretty and basically keep the balance of power the exact same EXCEPT jam in an extra little bit of 'We own you'-ness into the whole Bs| RP.

If the Bs| are an elite wing of the Order and you are the leader of the wing, why would you be the head of a ruling council that dominates the Order, effectively making you the Head of the Order?
Surely the head of well..the Order might be a better person than the leader of a single wing? Didn't really see Orillian flying around in a squad of Anubis'..

(as i have some admin backing)

If the Admins are willing to go directly against an official statement by them all, one of the most heated sanction threads for a long time and the general opinion of the community - then this sounds reasonable. If they are willing to do such a thing then we have far bigger problems than this.
However, I doubt that a lot.

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[Bluntage]

Wolf,

There will have to be a separate Order Extremist group. That will solve all the problems. We can work together in some matters and some we won't. Total dominance over any faction is despotism and has no place on this server or in the world in general.

[ryoken]

What the hell is this BS? I am sorry but i just got santioned for doing exactly what you are now deciding is order law's/rule's. I am now on Big Fatty's side here. This is a total, an utter attempt to control Indi's which the entire staff said is a no no, and i just got santioned for,along with 3 other's. Sorry to say it, but you are just taking a bad situation, and making it a complete disaster. If the admin's support this idea? they are completely reversing what they said in my sanction,and what they said about controling indies. You may as well just turn the mod into (faction controled freelancer) love it or leave it.

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[Wolfpack98]

Oy vey

What is it with you kids and the "all or nothing" attitude???

Apparently no one understands what I'm trying to do here. Independents can do what they want, within reason.

Attacks on NY for instance, are stupidly OORP, since the end of the single player campagin, and as several have said, the Order is not a terrorist group, nor should be Role Played as such.

I'm not trying to stamp "BlackSquadron owns you all" in fact, I've done the EXACT OPPOSITE.. I've removed Bs| ability to command any member of the order outside of BlackSquadron. The council is the controlling party, and nothing more.

At this point, I'd prefer the admins get involved in this, as this is derailing out of control.

BigFatty, You have your own personal problems as I've noticed. I can't focus on 10 things at once in-game like I can do with EVE, so chill out man. I'm willing to sit and talk but you have got to be patient with me.

Man, i see this community really hasn't grown up at all...

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