Quote:Earlier tonight I tried to get some Bs guys involved in a skirmish with some LN in Alaska but they didn't want to have any of it.
That's because they're on lockdown in 100 from their faction leader, do you not pay attention to anything around here?
Quote:Instead Nomad Killer and I took on two LN Batllecruisers, one GB and a Bomber with my Jauggernaut and Nomad Killers Zoner Cruiser at Planet Anchorage in Alaska.
And fighting in alaska is fine, we encourage that, just dont take your battleships into new york and create a bigger problem for liberty players than they already have to deal with via the pirates and terrorists native to their space.
Quote:We took out 3 ships in the end before getting killed and everyone had a blast. Nice equal fight that was arranged to be so. And it's not hurting anyone.
You also let 6 order pilots get captured, it isnt all about how many kills you get.
It seems to me that you're taking what you see as an OoRP situation and trying to fix it by hammering more OoRP into it. Instead, look for a way to RP with it. As an example:
With the recent buildup for war by Liberty, much akin to Rheinland's buildup 16 years ago, the Order can speculate one of two things:
1. Rheinland's allegations are true and Liberty is the newly infested house, and the Nomads are attempting what they did with Rheinland 16 years ago only with Liberty this time. More recon and intense observation of Liberty officials is needed to determine this, and the Order once again looks to Liberty's secrets in Alaska.
2. Rheinland is actually the infected house again and Liberty is about to get dragged into what Kusari and Bretonia were before. Liberty is preparing itself for war, but someone has to safeguard it from Rheinland's infections. More recon and intensive observation of Liberty officials is required, and the Order must relocate some of its wings to Liberty in order to figure out what exactly is going on.
Though very similar, the main part is about which house needs protection and which one is purging and whatnot, but that's just me rambling.
By doing something like this would take away the OoRP, and instead of forcing people to RP in an OoRP fashion, you set an example of how to RP as an official player faction. The role, as decreed in the Official Faction Status Page, or somewhere thereabouts, is to set an example, not dictate what others should do, and instead of trying to fit your square peg in the round hole, take the round peg that doesn't fit the square hole right out of the square hole and fulfill your role instead of the admin's role.
' Wrote:If all you kids want to do is whine, then be my guess. i haven't heard or even seen *ONE* freaking reply that actually addresses the problem and satisfies all parties here. I'm sorry but until you can provide a solution to the problem, then stop crying and whining about everything.
Another thing about this, I might be a kid, but I don't think I should be called out on it. I daresay I am more intelligent than the bloke next door, and I do think that if you'd address the comments that have been posted with respect and patience rather than attempting to intimidate us and dazzle us with your suave you'd be getting along much better with this conversation...
EDIT: And don't tell me that doesn't work. When Rheinland and Liberty go to war, you can guess which faction will have the most trouble to stay afloat, and I'll tell you who will stay afloat despite that. Now, then, Guten Nacht.
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
And Tenacity my point is that Order players shouldn't get to approve or dissaprove of how other Order players rp the game. Again NY, Alaska, Minor, Omnicron Lost. It doesn't matter. Stick to having fun yourself instead of trying to ruin it for other people.
Bluntage, as I said earlier, we'd rather you not bring your Battleships into NY. If you must, at least ask us first. Battleships are a pain in the arse to deal with and we have six unlawful factions native to New York, plus a few who shouldn't be there. Ask first, and if we have nothing going down, then sure, we might agree to a battle in New York.
Other than that, it seems to me that an equal fighter skirmish every now and then would be fine.
@ Tenacity: About the Order Pilots, shall we talk terms?
' Wrote:Dammit. Bluntage ruined the thread with his simple, rational argument.
I blame pot.
only problem is that his "simple, rational argument" goes against basic order RP - and not just what players have established.
Bluntage, you've failed in every one of your 'excursions' into new york to provide a reason for risking civilian lives, innocent bystanders, and a billion credit ship just to kill a few liberty gunboats and cruisers. Where is your rational explanation for that?
THAT is why we dont want people going into new york, because despite all the arguments here none of them negate the fact that doing so is out of RP for any order pilot, factioned or not. The order, in it's entirety, exists to protect human lives - now, lets say someone in new york IS infected, and you want to go deal with them - taking a battleship, and a juggernaut no less, to deal with a small threat like that is not logical in the least; you attract too much attention.
On top of that, not only do you end up annihilating the lesser armed opponent, your crossfire damages stations, passing ships, and everything else in the area. Congratulations, in exchange for one nomad infestee, you've just slaughtered a dozen innocents. Even further you're risking, as stated above, a 1 billion+ credit battleship to deal with a minor threat that could be handled with a couple fighters and bombers at much less expense. It doesnt hurt our resources much if we lose a single wing of fighters, but losing a battleship with over a thousand personnel is crippling to the order.
That is not how the order operates. The only thing we're restricting here is your ability to go pvp whore in new york. If you want to do it in alaska, fine, go ahead, we wont give you any argument - there are no civilians in alaska, and everything there is owned and run by the LSF and LN; there's not the slightest chance of civilian casualties. Also, even if your ship does get destroyed, we can recover it from alaska, recovering wreckage or escape pods from new york is not so easy.
This is your problem, you dont think about RP in it's entirety - your brain goes "oh hey, I want to kill some people today, lets go to the most populated system on the server and start shooting!" without considering ANY of the consequences of your actions.
Now, when you're capable of thinking outside the hull of your own ship, we'll listen to your opinion on the matter. Until then, deal with the changes that are going on, or find a new faction to run with.
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