Ok, after reading 12 pages(not all17) and reading blunts reasons for making all this things,here are my suggestions to solve this:
1: in next mod,all guard systems receive a nuked planet,nuked from baf. Not needed to ask them,noone asked corsairs if they like it.
2:starting stronger and closing diplomacy between kusari and corsairs so we can make daily raids in bretonia all together from kusari and corsair bases, and then can blunt calm down and let zoners be and concerning to try force all the corsair and kusari fighters/bombers out of new london.
3:move all the corsair lolcaps to omega 49 to defend(and i saw few of them with pure solaris loadout,so nothing easy for bombers)
4: move part of OPG and TBH to gran canaria to defend omega 49.(yes,we can make it)
5:And last, start a massive corsair attack on bretonia involving all who will join.bretonia in rp can not hold war on2 front longer as few days/weeks.
Yes i know tha this look as pure flaming/flooding but i mean it serious.all of the points can be maked in rp and i dont see reason why can not whole house fail...
Originally the zoner were a a small group of people who manages the freeports, but in the disco is one of the most powerful faction on space, with a large fleet, almost infinite money, and influence in every corner of sirius, for this reasons their neutrality is now no longer possible, in the beginin the houses may ignore a group of weak and poor traders, who sometime make deals with pirates. Now the zoner are almost a Soverign House, and this have a price and the price is neutrality, they must choose between the lawfuls or the unlawfuls, and be ready to wage a war, the other option is force them to decide, the lawful houses can give them an ultimatum, while the zoners keep dealing whit criminal elements the will be outlawed too, and the unlawful groups con do the same asking them to ban BH from their stations.
In history you will never find a powerful Nation or Faction, without enemies.
Pengu Wrote:So you basically support the line of thinking that we should be quiet and deal with it in-game? Hmm, well you see I tried to do that. Kinda failed, pretty badly.
If you hadn't noticed, the thread has cooled down some since, "ZONOEZ! I H8 TEH ZOWN AND MAL! LUL!"
Continue on this line of civility. Better?
Crikey, I thought implications were easier to read than what they apparently are.
-Edit- To elaborate, if I was saying, "Yus! XTriton wins!" I'd say as much. Not, "Suggestion added, doing good with not being snobs to one another". With, of course, the added implication that was missed. I'd made a similar remark earlier and I thought the series of requests was becoming routine and understood.
before someone comes up with the idea of "zoners must give up their neutrality"
think further - how does it work?
lets say - zoners REALLY give up their neutrality. - and they REALLY ally with corsairs ( there are reasons enough as pointed out ) - they don t go for "lets talk first and shoot later" but adopt the more edgeworldish style and shoot first and laugh later.
is that desirable? - explainable in RP for sure. - do you WANT zoners to be like that? - another group of militant smugglers?
if zoners are so detrimental for the gameplay of all factions around - we can SERIOUSLY suggest it to igiss. - swap alliances. turn zoners into an army. - an edgeworld army.
we ll make up causes ( maybe expansion, but not peaceful anymore, but now they take what they want with force ) - they become an edgeworld power. - with the corsairs - they would dominate the whole omegas.
today - can you still say that zoners are the little neutral group they were when trent was doing his deeds? probably not. - but many a players must take what is presented to them .... by igiss ... or as a legacy of earlier players that made an impact on the IDs. - just as corsairs have to RP that they bombed cork - even if the players playing seriously today never would have thought about it nor wanted it.
zoner freeports can be renamed into zoner stations and SEALED for anyone but zoners and their allies, that is no problem. - zoners can loose the neutrality. - but they WILL keep a place in sirius - right now that place is to be a group of neutral players mostly. - if igiss can be convinced that zoners should take sides - maybe like the Asgard warriors earlier - so be it.
' Wrote:Ok, after reading 12 pages(not all17) and reading blunts reasons for making all this things,here are my suggestions to solve this:
1: in next mod,all guard systems receive a nuked planet,nuked from baf. Not needed to ask them,noone asked corsairs if they like it.
2:starting stronger and closing diplomacy between kusari and corsairs so we can make daily raids in bretonia all together from kusari and corsair bases, and then can blunt calm down and let zoners be and concerning to try force all the corsair and kusari fighters/bombers out of new london.
3:move all the corsair lolcaps to omega 49 to defend(and i saw few of them with pure solaris loadout,so nothing easy for bombers)
4: move part of OPG and TBH to gran canaria to defend omega 49.(yes,we can make it)
5:And last, start a massive corsair attack on bretonia involving all who will join.bretonia in rp can not hold war on2 front longer as few days/weeks.
Yes i know tha this look as pure flaming/flooding but i mean it serious.all of the points can be maked in rp and i dont see reason why can not whole house fail...
1. It was added, unfortunately. Agreement doesn't matter. A lot of us disagree with Zoners owning planets.
2. I don't understand what you're saying. Try multiple sentences please.
3. LOLcaps? Sounds like an ooRP response.
4. TBH moving to defend Omega 49, and being capable of this? To defend against a few measly pirates? Of course, they're capable of that (although it would prove that the Zoners were in league with genocidal maniacs). Capable of invading Bretonia, after getting the utter crap beat out of them by the Rheinland military less than two years previous in a full scale war? Unlikely. This would also get Rheinland fully on Bretonia's side. They know what a Corsair invasion is like.
2: more attacks planet together,one from kusari side by knf,second from
omega 5, can you fight on two fronts together?no..
3: ok,then not lolcaps,but all the capital ships sitting in gamma
4: single titan was able to defend long enough,what about 4-6 titans????
And bretonia id not openly attacking o49,just QCP
and who says about invading only with TBH? Corsairs as whole nation... Where you have opg,benitez,tbh and other pilots... Corsairs will like farms on cbridge for example...
' Wrote:2: more attacks planet together,one from kusari side by knf,second from
omega 5, can you fight on two fronts together?no..
3: ok,then not lolcaps,but all the capital ships sitting in gamma
4: single titan was able to defend long enough,what about 4-6 titans????
And bretonia id not openly attacking o49,just QCP
and who says about invading only with TBH? Corsairs as whole nation... Where you have opg,benitez,tbh and other pilots... Corsairs will like farms on cbridge for example...
Correct, but the Corsairs, according to canon, got their fleet's ass handed to them by Rheinland.
Helping the Zoners would only bring down German wrath upon them, as well as Hessians etc.
Of course, you forgot that the Corsairs are losing to the Hessians and might need their fleet elsewhere? The Corsairs are fighting the Nomads, the Outcasts, the GMG, Bretonia and the Hessians. That's FIVE fronts. How do you manage that, eh? That's before mentioning the BHG Core fleet too...
I'll quote Cheshire on this, since it seems to be the most sense ever spoken the last half a page.
Quote:think further - how does it work?
lets say - zoners REALLY give up their neutrality. - and they REALLY ally with corsairs ( there are reasons enough as pointed out ) - they don t go for "lets talk first and shoot later" but adopt the more edgeworldish style and shoot first and laugh later.
is that desirable? - explainable in RP for sure. - do you WANT zoners to be like that? - another group of militant smugglers?
if zoners are so detrimental for the gameplay of all factions around - we can SERIOUSLY suggest it to igiss. - swap alliances. turn zoners into an army. - an edgeworld army.
we ll make up causes ( maybe expansion, but not peaceful anymore, but now they take what they want with force ) - they become an edgeworld power. - with the corsairs - they would dominate the whole omegas.
That is, effectively, what you want. We either, A: Take sides and use our guns. Or B: Close our borders and use our guns on the other 96% of Disco that wouldn't have heard of that poorly thought out course of action.
Nobody wants the Zoners to become another PEW PEW faction. Yet you seem hellbent on making somebody shoot something. Why is that?
Not even mentioning the fact that our Omicron Freeports would soon get robbed and annihilated if we closed our doors to the people dependent on our supplies.
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