Battleships- a solution

[Violette]

Number 2, and not just BS, anything Dessie and above should be stricter, dear god... Alot of people in caps don't even RP at all.


"Urgh, *whine* they are taking away our freedom!!!!"

Shut it, if you can't RP, get off our caps!



People should PROVE they can RP caps, or lose them.

Remember afterall, Discovery isn't a Democracy.


It's practically a Dictatorship, but one that is fair in alot of ways.

Deal with it.

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[Jaysom_Blackfist]

I vote that we make it faction but let indies have it that have good RP and a good story line to go with why they are independant. I have seen way too many times as I have been on this server some random person getting a hold of a battleship and trying to go do random things that are completely OORP because they are getting revenge from when they first started, good example would be traders getting a battleship and going back to camp the route they like the best as soon as they get pirated pay the fine then jump on the biggest ship the have and blow up the pirate for the only reason they do not like being pirated. yes its against the rules but so many people have been sanctioned for it and people do not learn from the mistakes of others especially on a game.

Most people in factions with battleships are far less likely to be going to do that because they have much more to lose then credits and guns.

Many people probably do not know me or agree with my opinion this is going to be my only post unless someone wishes to speak more to me about what they think in PM's because I am not going to sit and try and argue opinions with people most of the time they already have their minds set and do not wish to change.

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(NovaPG)-Faysom.Anome-Blood Dragon Guard
XA-Joseph"The Krail"Johnson

[jimmy Patterson]

im also gonna bring up the gunboat problem pirates normally and genenrally are poorer then most(espically the ones not aligned with anybody)yet theres countless countless countless tredenties and such the OUTCAST HAVE A 3 WAY WAR yet ive even seen outcast DESTROYERS IN NEW YORK you want to talk about limiteing capitols do something about the tridewntie /hacker/gunboat spam eve for the pirates that have loads of cash they nine outta ten times DONT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES have the recorses to waste gunboats destrouyers and battleships while a house can mabye throw them around like candy pirates dont simply have the industrial capacity to support halfthe ships i see in the numbers they are for just '' parking around malta'' for example

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[Galacius]

Number 2, and not just BS, anything Dessie and above should be stricter, dear god... Alot of people in caps don't even RP at all.
"Urgh, *whine* they are taking away our freedom!!!!"

Shut it, if you can't RP, get off our caps!
People should PROVE they can RP caps, or lose them.

Remember afterall, Discovery isn't a Democracy.
It's practically a Dictatorship, but one that is fair in alot of ways.

Deal with it.

Reminded me of one last thing I really wanted to say for a while. This is a video game, I do not want to have to prove myself beyond normal means (and I promise you it will takes months and months work if 1 or 2 is implemented) to get the ship I want. I come here to have fun and rp. Im not going to be a dancing bear just so I can get into the type of rp I want.

Also dear god this type of attitude is part of the reason I consider going back to a mmorpg over this game. Im tired of people impeding on perfectly good rp just because they were wronged in the past by another person. Get over it if some lolwutter cruises over you in a capship and doesnt rp any sanction them, thats what its there for!

[Violette]

Reminded me of one last thing I really wanted to say for a while. This is a video game, I do not want to have to prove myself beyond normal means (and I promise you it will takes months and months work if 1 or 2 is implemented) to get the ship I want. I come here to have fun and rp. Im not going to be a dancing bear just so I can get into the type of rp I want.

Also dear god this type of attitude is part of the reason I consider going back to a mmorpg over this game. Im tired of people impeding on perfectly good rp just because they were wronged in the past by another person. Get over it if some lolwutter cruises over you in a capship and doesnt rp any sanction them, thats what its there for!

Nonono, I mean people in caps have to actually RP, not just hunt lone pirate fighters in their LABC, just acting like a ship captain is good enough, not saying 'lol' over system when you gank a single gunship with 5 caps...


Seriously, its a WARSHIP, not for dispatching of petty theives....


Even poor RP is existent RP, don't just 'pewpewpew' because your ship is bigger...

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[JIVA]

"Number 2, and not just BS, anything Dessie and above should be stricter, dear god... Alot of people in caps don't even RP at all.
"Urgh, *whine* they are taking away our freedom!!!!"

Shut it, if you can't RP, get off our caps!
People should PROVE they can RP caps, or lose them.

Remember afterall, Discovery isn't a Democracy.
It's practically a Dictatorship, but one that is fair in alot of ways.

Deal with it."

yes - that attitude sadly sums up the problem when it comes to seriously limiting shiptypes. - as long as SUCH an attitude is around, i do never trust self nominated judges of "good roleplay" who wants others to limit.

this attitude especially is a reason why there is such a resistance against limitations. - its unreasonable, its subjective and to top it up... its also insulting. ... - deal with it.

discovery id not a democracy. - but discovery is free for all ( surprising, isn t it? ) one of the cornerstones of the mod and the server is that it is free. - not free of any monthly fee only, but also free to express yourself and your roleplay in whatever ways you like.

it would be nice if people took the time and really interacted. - the GREATEST majority of players is responsible and perfectly able to roleplay a warship. - only a minority is incapable of roleplaying - and funny enough ... out of that minority - most of them fly either non-combat ships ( transports ) or bombers and fighters. - only the smaller part of those that cannot roleplay fly battleships - don t believe it? - make your statistics.



why would someone want to limit something?

- there may be a problem - yet.... i really fail to see a global problem that cannot be solved in roleplayed ways. people talk of liberty etc. - funny though, whenever i fly there activly LOOKING for the capspam - i appear to avoid it. - there are capships.... - but i actually EXPECT capships. - whyever should i play disco then? - if i don t want playercapships - i d play vanilla.


or maybe i just want "others" not to fly capships? - yes.... achievement is only sweet when others cannot reach it. - whats a reward when everyone can get it. - its only really good when you know that you, but not others can have it. ( in other words - jealousy )


so - i d love to hear - out of the 200 players each night - how many battleships are such a problem that they require "a solution" ( the term means that there is a problem - cause there s no solution when there s not a problem )

during the last YEAR of 4.84 - i ran my statistic on warships. - and that was 4.84 - with the BHG ( for those that remember )

out of 150 - 200 players at peak times - you got like 3-5 battleships TOTAL ... but around 20-30% bombers. lets say - the ratio hasn t changed... 3-5 battleships ( roleplayed ones ) are a problem that needs to be solved?

there are quite some cruisers / battlecruisers alright - but funny enough - people said "cruisers, we can deal with" - so we cannot deal with 3-5 battleships but cruisers we can deal with.

much ado about nothing, really.

and before its mentioned - i m not affected by whatever is chosen in any way. - but i remember that having a really free choice and ASSISTANCE from other players that were not prejudice and stupid helped me a lot when i started playing here and having "fun". what i liked the most was the freedom and the good natured attitude.

had there been bitching all around and restrictions by players more equal than others... disco would be a lot less popular - and popularity is what we need. without it, the server goes down like some of the technically better mods of freelancer that usually have a great population of 5- 10 players.

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the [JIVA] group

[RonG777]

Nonono, I mean people in caps have to actually RP, not just hunt lone pirate fighters in their LABC, just acting like a ship captain is good enough, not saying 'lol' over system when you gank a single gunship with 5 caps...
Seriously, its a WARSHIP, not for dispatching of petty theives....
Even poor RP is existent RP, don't just 'pewpewpew' because your ship is bigger...

Not just in Cap Ships are you expected to RP, But any ship in the game..

Perhaps I don't play this game as much as I should, but I have characters All Over Sirius . . And I never have any problem with any cap ships . . (Other than gunboats) . . They always give warning, are in RP and play fair . . Indy or player faction . .

However, this is only my experiences over the years playing here and I could be wrong . .

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EFFIN' ROLEPLAY GUYS ... off to flood we go for that - Hoodlum

[Violette]

Incidentally I make a habit to listen to Shaggy - Mr. Boombastic everytime I fly my Liberty Carrier... Seriously.



Nah, we should have some standards, a low bar, you have to at least try, not just get it to:


'L33tpwn P1rat3s!!!!'

You know who you are...


*cough* Silverleaf *cough*

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[Montezuma/Kukulcan]

I think that the 'official factions deciding who gets a BS and who doesnt' rule should be reinstated.


Just my very short and compact opinion.

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[frozen]

Voted NO !

What's your problem ? You can't bring 3 bomber crafts and beat them ?
We don't need to restrict BS to "well known players".

Dont come at me with that pathetic arguement. ive spent more time, ive got more experience, and ive whored the bomber class much more than you have, to know what ships to bring to counter caps, so dont try to teach me what i should and shouldnt do to counter battleships.

this is a probable solution i threw out to counter all the hypocrisy, whining and bitching that have become a standard on the forums, where every day or every week, someone or the other -has- to complain about something or the other. Im not saying to restrict it to "well known players". read the OP. read it again. read it till the message gets through your thick skull. i was suggesting to restrict battleships to official player factions, not "well known players".

It's also fun to see it coming from the leader of hellfire legion and a keeper player.
Aren't the nomad ships enough boosted ? If you have gank problems, you should not have played into isolated groups. BS have less speed so you can thrust away and cruise once you're out of range.

If you will resort to personal insults, at least get to know your information correctly. I do not lead the HF any more, having given it up nearly a month and a half ago. Im a keeper yes, but everyone knows you have a personal bias against the faction from which you were thrown out for acting like a complete tard. remind me, where in any of my posts did i talk about nomad ships? its funny how you keep tying the Keepers into every thread made by a member of the faction, looking for any method to flame them (without any success).

Do yourself a favor. read the thread, stick to the conversation, or avoid posting and wasting other peoples' time. next time instead of responding to your mindless drivel, ill just get a mod or admin to delete your trash.

and now that i've taken out the trash...

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As always, I'd like to ask - what led you to the creation of this question? Any particular cases that could serve as an example, so that we can understand your motives without the obscuring generalization? Because from where I stand, a Liberty dreadnought is something completely different than, say, a Togo or a Spyglass. Or the Xeno Battleship.

if you read up, I answered why I made this thread in my response to grimly.

reading some of the posts, i agree on a few points. lets face it- discovery is at a point were honour, courtesy, or consideration doesn't exist. everyone has the same mindset- "what's in it for me", and every decision, argument thrown out revolves around that.

This is exactly why radical changes (for example, like this) will not work, since there will be too much opposition to the idea to actually deal with the problem, but nothing will be done to counter the problems either. Thus, I have only one thing to say. If no one is willing to change, no one has the right to complain. change starts from you, if you cannot contribute, don't help the stagnation.

Joe, you know as well as I do that your solution is more than viable, but the problem is not with the rules, its not with the game, its with the people. when there is no self control, no consideration for others, no common courtesy between players, whats to expect? In the current situation, i fail to see a simpler solution, at least until people change their mindset around here.

If none of these options work, at least for starters, make owning a battleship require a special request + cash deposit of say.. 150 mill (250 mill with the current economy is well.. bad to be honest). that should take care of the problems of the silent mindless pvp whores who dont know the rules, instead just powertrade to own the biggest ship in the game.

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