Battleships- a solution

[JakeSG]

No - However, official factions can petition to get it removed if misused

An idea did occur, though. Perhaps give Military/Outcast/Corsair player factions and the indies meeting option 2 a stronger 'prototype' Battleship? This would likely achieve the same results, to a lesser extent, without getting the "Infringin' on mah freedum!"

I dislike the 'Well Known'. Who defines well known? There are people who can RP and can be trusted, yet have only been here a few months. There are those who have been here over a year and I still wouldn't consider trustworthy.

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For the Core.

[chovynz]

I'm done. I've said my piece. I guess this is a place where I'll just have to put up with a minority vote, and have things put in place that I don't agree with, at all.

After all, this isn't a democracy and my vote really doesn't matter. Does it?.

I don't like stirring up the past because it can create bad feelings. You want proof, of the things noobl3t, Jinx, Thexare, I and many others who don't have the guts to reply, or they agree and see no point in saying "/signed", are talking about? I'll see what you have to say after all capital ships are restricted to their "official" faction. Tell me then, when you are not part of a faction, and you have to apply to someone that you know doesn't like you, for whatever stupid reason.

Yes there are good people here. Yes there are good faction leaders here. I think the current bunch are mostly pretty good. This proposed system allows "bad faction leaders" to DO things, and "control" other people, based on OORP personal feelings. Yes, this is nitpicking. It is nitpicking with a purpose, to reveal the flaws in this kind of system.

Popularity e-pen opinion fests.

I hatez dem.

There is nothing more important than freedom. People die to obtain freedom. You must KEEP fighting to hold onto freedom. People give themselves over to slavery all too easily. They substitute security for freedom. Think very carefully about what you propose for change. Not just in Disco, but also in Life. One day you'll wake up and see the jail that you created.

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Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.

[Eppy]

I'm done. I've said my piece. I guess this is a place where I'll just have to put up with a minority vote, and have things put in place that I don't agree with, at all.

After all, this isn't a democracy and my vote really doesn't matter. Does it?.

I don't like stirring up the past because it can create bad feelings. You want proof, of the things noobl3t, Jinx, Thexare, I and many others who don't have the guts to reply, or they agree and see no point in saying "/signed", are talking about? I'll see what you have to say after all capital ships are restricted to their "official" faction. Tell me then, when you are not part of a faction, and you have to apply to someone that you know doesn't like you, for whatever stupid reason.

Yes there are good people here. Yes there are good faction leaders here. I think the current bunch are mostly pretty good. This proposed system allows "bad faction leaders" to DO things, and "control" other people, based on OORP personal feelings. Yes, this is nitpicking. It is nitpicking with a purpose, to reveal the flaws in this kind of system.

Popularity e-pen opinion fests.

I hatez dem.

Kay, Hyung, just a question. If I were to lose my mind and tell Mike I wanted my office back and these proposed changes came into effect, where would I be abusing any indies? All I'd get is a bigger toy than the independents have, it wouldn't, as I see it, allow me any more power over them unless they actually did something dumb enough to warrant me blowing up one of my own people (which happens very rarely). The proposed system doesn't, to me, seem like it would give the faction leaders any kind of real power outside of the directly physical (and power is something we certainly need more of, I still think we were had a bit with the Faction Rights stuff).

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[chovynz]

Yes, I agree eppy. You were had.
The Faction Rights are a psuedo-powertrip, encouraging exactly the kind of false power that faction tend to like.

It's time to stop playing around with this subject.
Igiss. Make a decision.
Ether give factions the power, or give everyone the freedom.
It doesn't work in both camps.
Security or freedom?

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Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.

[n00bl3t]

Who also are the only ones that actually count. If you don't bother enough to sign up on the forums to be a part of this community, you are ignorable. People who don't vote in a democracy have no right to complain about bad people getting elected either.

Healthy attitude for the continuation of this server when FL numbers are reducing.

Although written in many words , put in long texts and covered with nothing but fictionalized points of view , which have never happened and will probably never do , the points stated by the players who , apparently still don't trust their fellow disco members , who have taken the responsibility of leading a faction and showing the new players how things are "supposed" to be done by said faction , are vague and it's almost impossible for them to become true.

You are nitpicking , to say the least. Searching for anything that might go wrong , any small detail that is never going to happen , is brought up and shown as a proof of factions being incompetent.

It is all so very easy to avoid the "skype" unfairness and "buddy" unfairness. The applications will simply be submitted on a special , probably new , place on the forums for everyone to see. Even after that is done , I admit that their might be a chance someone might be unhappy of the faction's ruling , again it's NOT a problem and never has been , admins and mods can interfere and "check" if things are alright , if you want.

Please , you are making faction leaders sound like incompetent idiots , who only want to make things harder for players and deny independents of their "rights". No wonder people are starting to treat some of us with less respect , for no reason what so ever. Many of those casual players , those who Nooblet and Song want to defend to badly , are looking down on factions , on faction leaders , not because they where hurt in any way , but because they simply want to do exactly the opposite of what the faction does.

Factions and faction leaders aren't just born out of nothing , many , many factions have passed the 1 year mark and so far , how many of them have been sanctioned for something done in a OoRP manner , or in an unfair manner? There have probably been no more then 2-3 incidents , as a whole , that's just proof that factions are indeed led by people and people make mistakes , but in reality , those mistakes are so few and so far in between one another , that they hardly count for anything. Although it seems that some people have a hobby of remembering each and everyone of them , bringing them up in topics like this one.

This topic is NOT about factions wanting to bash indies. This topic is about the Battleship and about the fact that developers want to turn them into something more then target practice , into something unique.

Again , change is a good thing , not changing , stalling in one place is what destroys communities.

Oh , one more thing , if people don't care enough to even vote , then they have already made their choice , if they don't vote , then they don't have an opinion.

Eternal

I love how it comes to "all these points will never happen". It seems some people's memory is not intact.

If you want respect, you earn it. You do not order people around and seek to control their game-play, you encourage and teach them.

As for factions being sanctioned a limited number of times, congratulations. I have never been sanctioned. Does that mean I am out of this little control game?

easy way to avoid arguments. Pretty ignorant though. You wanted to have it back, there you got it. Happy now? Stop flaming.
You could also ask why you are still in those forums if you already learned to rp. If you can RP (and I don't doubt it), then where's your problem in writing your story down? Shouldn't you do that anyway in case you forgot some details and have to check them up again?
Sounds like lolcaps are causing lolbombers.
Sure, it doesn't affect the problem anyway how long anyone stays alive.

Now would please finally put your matches away? It's annoying.

An easy way to prove your point is to ignore that fact and just make RL connections here and there. We are to have fun, via role-playing, not sacrifice fun to satisfy a limited RP conception.

My story is written down. The links to them are in my signature. If you want to "check" them feel free.

No. Bombers would exist anyway in large numbers since they are the most versatile wtfpwn ship and are cheap. Yet, nothing is done about them. (If people were as concerned about RP as they say they are, there should be a thread about them.)

If, as it has been said size of the ship affects how people conceive the problem, then why not longevity? You cannot have your cake after eating it.

As for matches, no, I still have not started flaming.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Xareck]

*cough* Special requests required for battleships.

*shrugs*

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[Guest]

Xareck, lets try limiting ideas to those which exclude admin involvement.

[Ceoran]

Jeez, n00bl3t, I don't need to "check" your story, I never even doubted you had it.
Concerning the bombers: I haven't experienced that kind of problems yet, maybe it's more a libertonian problem, just like the battleships seem to be more problematic in the vanilla omicrons. Besides the comment about them before was meant in an ironical way.

For the rest I think we just have different and hardened points of view. And since I'm away during the weekend, I won't be able to answer that soon again anyway.

P.S: "FL numbers are reducing"? Are you sure about this? I still have problems joining the server at about 20:00 GMT

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My Stories Outcast laws and structures Join Samura|-

Go play the game, within the given limitations. That is how role play games are played. Not by trying to work around those limitations or whining about them.

[Violette]

This will never change, Its impossible to balance everything, and more impossible to please everyone.




Everything is fine as it is, bombers are a little 'whored' but its all good.

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[n00bl3t]

Jeez, n00bl3t, I don't need to "check" your story, I never even doubted you had it.
Concerning the bombers: I haven't experienced that kind of problems yet, maybe it's more a libertonian problem, just like the battleships seem to be more problematic in the vanilla omicrons. Besides the comment about them before was meant in an ironical way.

For the rest I think we just have different and hardened points of view. And since I'm away during the weekend, I won't be able to answer that soon again anyway.

P.S: "FL numbers are reducing"? Are you sure about this? I still have problems joining the server at about 20:00 GMT

Right.

Considering I have a character everywhere apart from Corsair space I think I can say I have experienced most of the space Sirius has to offer. Yes, there are problematic capital ships. However, factions do not need further power to control capital ship purchase.

My views have been formed by my experiences with the lovely faction leaders and in-game experiences my characters have had and I, as a forum person have experienced. I expect them to be different.

20:00 GMT. 6:00 for me. I would guess not. However, I meant the FL community as a whole. Despite everything, Discovery does not represent the entirety of FL.

Edit: Yes, we both have a life outside FL, respond at your convenience. I am going out for tonight.:)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.