The Knights of Bretonia

[Marcus Lindberg]

Sorry, I tried finding their faction quicklink yesterday but I couldn't so I thought they disbanded or something :/, apologies.

[beunt]

I suppose we are expected to lift another moutain of arguments but we all know how this usually end. Let's wait for an ingame test, and people we RP'ed with will be welcome to post their feedback.

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[Exsiled_one]

Considering last night activities you'll have more things to deal with at home than in any other house

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<span style="color:#33CC00">I AM GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CREATIVE MINDS*</span>

[... kur nubėgo?]

You have privateers already. And bucaneers. Thats enought in my opinion.

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Omega Pirates Guild

History of OPG | Antonio "Vilkas" Devivar

[Stoat]

Just a note: As far as I know, the QCP aren't disbanded, nor are we unhappy with the Privateer ID (far from it, it's just about perfect). We're just a tad inactive at the moment.

I'm seconding this statement.


As for the idea of the knights, I find it sad that there's so much antipathy. This is a group of folks that want to come in at the Kusari/Bretonia conflict from another angle. There's nothing wrong with that. Yes, there's the Privateers, but we are pirates opperating in Kusari and the Taus. The Buccaneers are just pirates. That's it. They want money, and will take it from whoever they can. Neither of those two fits with what the Knights are looking to do.

These guys want to be vigilantes, only going after Kusari traders (if I read that right). All other traders just get asked to donate to the cause, and if they refuse they go on their merry way. The Privateers do not do that. We'll go after eveyone that we believe may be aiding the Kusari in any way. Don't care if you are Liberty, Rheinland, independant, Bretonian, Gallic, whatever. And as you are all very aware, I'm sure, we also had a bit of a run in with the Zoners.

There's WAY to much negative crap slung at almost every new idea that comes up. It really is quite shameful, to be honest. How about just letting them get on with their idea, and feeding back on how it actually works in the game, rather than all the **** slinging that I see going on every day.

You have privateers already. And bucaneers. Thats enought in my opinion.

So, two is enough eh? So, with the corsairs having the Sails, Benitez, the HAF, the Brotherhood, not to mention the unofficial groups, should they now be told to cut down the numbers? There is absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple groups, when they are occupying different niches. This is a different niche.

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My Stories

[Stoat]

If you are not part of the Knights, stoat, don't try a trial by forum on those who don't like the idea. You are not helping by saying those things you said.

I'm just tired of the negativity Casero. Whether or not I am part of the knights is irrelevant. This isn't aimed at anyone specific, nor is it a trial by forum, it's an onservation based on a long time of observing the forums. It would just be nice to see constructive ideas, rather than destructive ones. If that makes a trial by forum, then hang me by all means.

The knights are looking to create o new RP based on the Bretonia/Kusari conflict. That's a good thing. I would be saying exactly the same things if they were a Kusari faction. They should be given their chance to carry out their idea. If they don't do it well, it will fail. It's as simple as that.

And whether or not my comments help, they needed to be said. There is far too much negativity here.

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My Stories

[Exsiled_one]

Actually Stoat, I'll have to chime in here. (chimeeeeeee)

Here's why. All of the things we have said hold some truth.
You have to understand that from a point of someone that's going to get shot (alot), we try to make it as fair as it can be.
We're certainly not trying to find flaws to undermine you, but we are pointing out the things that could go wrong.

I don't see how knights could even go public with saying that lawful military of the houses they'll operate in will not consider them hostile.
For me that was the first thorn in my eye. Actually, Bretonnia will have to mark them publically hostile as well, if they don't want Liberty and Rheinland relationships worsening.

Kusari isn't one faction, and it isn't something small as Junkers. Other houses profit from Kusari, and when they can't guarantee them safety, things tend to go very bad in sense of diplomacies. That doesn't mean Kusari will war all houses rawrbla bla, but it means that Liberty and Rheinland will have to consider them Knights hostile, and all that support Knights as hostile as well.

This doesn't mean that BAF will persecute knights around, they can even view them with sympathy, but public statements should be far from that

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<span style="color:#33CC00">I AM GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CREATIVE MINDS*</span>

[Wolfs Ghost]

Actually Stoat, I'll have to chime in here. (chimeeeeeee)

Here's why. All of the things we have said hold some truth.
You have to understand that from a point of someone that's going to get shot (alot), we try to make it as fair as it can be.
We're certainly not trying to find flaws to undermine you, but we are pointing out the things that could go wrong.

I don't see how knights could even go public with saying that lawful military of the houses they'll operate in will not consider them hostile.
For me that was the first thorn in my eye. Actually, Bretonnia will have to mark them publically hostile as well, if they don't want Liberty and Rheinland relationships worsening.

Kusari isn't one faction, and it isn't something small as Junkers. Other houses profit from Kusari, and when they can't guarantee them safety, things tend to go very bad in sense of diplomacies. That doesn't mean Kusari will war all houses rawrbla bla, but it means that Liberty and Rheinland will have to consider them Knights hostile, and all that support Knights as hostile as well.

This doesn't mean that BAF will persecute knights around, they can even view them with sympathy, but public statements should be far from that

[color=orange]The Future

No one in the Knights of Bretonia officially knows what's in store for them in the future. But a few have already agreed it would lead them to serving war crimes. However, many wish to return to a glarious and victorious Bretonia as heroes.

During a war, those that commit terrorist attacks to further one's victory over another, as in bombing a civilian population, are charged with war crimes (Which I believe is true.) The Knights situation is exactly the same as The Maquis in Gallia. A few people will favor the Knights and their goals, a few people won't. The Bretonian Government will most likely oust the Knights in order to keep their politically alliances with Rheinland and Liberty. Which is the same reason why I added the above quote.

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@AJ: Same goal than privateers, and that's why you guys are being flamed. What do you expect when you are announcing the creation of a faction which only goal is to hurt Kusari economy by attacking Samura and Kishiro transports? I know that you all just want to have fun, but focusing ONLY in kusari transports is the problem. That's why I'm saying that anonymously would have been better, in game no one would have noted that you focus just in kusarians.
Those factions that you mentioned have simiar goals, but in the meaning time they do other things to get to their goals. Here, you have 1 goal and you do 1 thing to get to that goal, hunt kusari transports.

We're focusing ONLY on Kusari transports when they're heading to the other houses. We will be committing terrorist strikes against Kusari through events.

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[beunt]

Considering last night activities you'll have more things to deal with at home than in any other house

To some extent yes, but like baconsada said we are mainly freelancer players, not Bret player. The point to play knight is not to win or lose a fictional war, but RP people that lost everything and now shave their head, burn their fingerprint, give their testament to their families and carry nukes to make a lot of m******* die !

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[Zelot]

Here is my problem, and I hope to articulate my thoughts in a reasonable way so you can understand why this gets under some peoples skin.



The people who play Kusari characters (among their other characters) enjoy the rp, we enjoying playing Kusari's and we actually enjoy the rp that takes place in Kusari. The problem is for some reason every month or so a group puts itself together that is "fighting" from the Bretonian side, somehow, even though Bretonia is losing the war, they have no lack of money, men or energy to throw at Kusari. Bretonia is dead, I spent probably 7 hours yesterday on my Samura miner in Dublin, I faced Mollies, it wasn't until we were on our way out for the last time that any Bretonian lawfuls showed up. Bretonia is dead, and it's because too many people dont understand what role play is. If you rp is that you are loosing a war, I guess the response is not to play that rp, but instead to come up with some way that their character wins. These people dont want to join Bowex or BMM or gateway, and rp supporting the Bretonian war effort, they dont want to join the BAF and rp being on the loosing side of a war, they dont want to join the BPA and rp policing a crumbling nation, all those rps sound pretty interesting to me, but no, you have to be able to take the fight to the enemy, but the problem is you haven't a( thought it all the way through or b) thought about how it will effect the people you are playing the game with.



A) How is it that a bunch of refugees that are carrying only what they can get into a bag, how do they purchase weapons, ships, and you know, support their families why not having any income, as well as being spit up from people who have been moved all across Sirius. Lindburg talked about how terrorist groups form, so I will start with his example first, yes you were correct with what you said, what was missed was the 40 years of development that went into it. Lets look at Afghanistan, where the Mujahadeen had the 10 years of Soviet invasion followed by 10 years of anarchy in the country. The Tamil Tigers of Shri Lanka have been about 50 years in development. The Militia movement in the United States can be traced back to the reactionary groups from Reconstruction, some 150 years ago. My point is that these types of groups need an incubation of poverty, anger and time. They do not just spring up overnight, and I hate to tell you, Northern Leeds has been in Kusari hands for less than a year, and the war has been going on for what? Less than 3 years? Terrorism is not an overnight thing, its development can be traced back through an incubation process, that is similar to all terrorist groups around the world. Terrorists do not just wake up one day and say "I want to blow things up." I think too often in discovery, with out terrorist characters, we forget that, we seem to think terrorists just pop up all over the place, for no particular reason, which could not be further from the truth. Maybe our 24 hour news cycle and the way wars today fall on the ashes of other historical conflicts, it makes us simplify terrorism, and the causes of it.



B) I honestly would ask you, if for even one moment you thought about what effect this would have on the players in Kusari? Really, I want to know. Did you think about the fact that it would be one more thing we would have to defend against? One more thing pulling our player out of Kusari, thus weakening the state of Kusari rp on the server? I dont mean the balance between Kusari and Bretonia in the war, I mean, do you realize the Kusari players will have to spend less time IN Kusari and more time OUTSIDE of Kusari. Now between the Bretonian front and the taus, you expect there to be much left to put out into Galileo, or the Sigmas? Players only have but so much time to play, this is less time we get to play our rp in Kusari. I really would like to know if you thought about that at all in your planning for this faction?



I hope peole dont take that as flames.

Edit: One move thing I would like to add, I am just going to list the faction we have to fight agaisnt on a regular basis.

1) Dragons

2) GC

3) Bretonians

4) Consortuim

5) Outcasts

6) Phantoms

7) Any random Merc who wants to come into Kusari and claim the bounty placed on FA/Hogosha/KSP/KNF/Kempati ships that is placed by OC and Bretonia.



8) Corsairs

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