The Knights of Bretonia

[Sprolf]

And yet, I get engaged with one line by Kusarian escorts when I'm on my Molly in Dublin.
Certainly, that's an appreciation for roleplay.

At least I finish typing what I was saying before I hit shield batteries and nanobots.



These were SHFs, nonetheless, and I'm in a bomber...
...you don't need to be so quick on the draw in a fight with odds like that.

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[Zelot]

And yet, I get engaged with one line by Kusarian escorts when I'm on my Molly in Dublin.
Certainly, that's an appreciation for roleplay.

At least I finish typing what I was saying before I hit shield batteries and nanobots.

Didnt you send Kudos for that last night? And when you send MR ships one at a time, We are not going to do the same Shakespeare for each one that comes along. You told us to leave, we responded. RP is not only typing up neat looking paragraphs.

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[Sprolf]

Kudos for the fight, yes.
Not for the roleplay.


And there was no great amount of the latter.
Quite deficient, even given expectations for what should exist between enemies.

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[Zelot]

Quite deficient, even given expectations for what should exist between enemies.

Enemies? Samura and the Mollies and not enemies, at least not in Samura's eyes, your just pesky flies, annoying us while we mine our gold. Bretonians are our enemies there, the Mollies are just a nuisance. Not worth taking too much time away from why we are there to deal with. Thats why we treated you how we did, but I forgot, some people dont understand roleplay unless it's 75 paragraphs of text in a silly accent.

Edit: Not off topic are we now Sprolf? Keep going if you like, I have no shame in my game.

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[Exsiled_one]

I won't pour oil to the flame, but zelot has some good points in the A) thing.
As for molly fight, I don't see what does being official faction escort /slash/ miner have to do with giving you more text while you cruise towards ore transport with your guns ready.

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<span style="color:#33CC00">I AM GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CREATIVE MINDS*</span>

[mwerte]

Further discussion about Mollys/Samrua/Dublin will be nixed. Not the time nor place.

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[Zelot]

sorry.

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[BaconSoda]

I'm seconding this statement.
As for the idea of the knights, I find it sad that there's so much antipathy. This is a group of folks that want to come in at the Kusari/Bretonia conflict from another angle. There's nothing wrong with that. Yes, there's the Privateers, but we are pirates opperating in Kusari and the Taus. The Buccaneers are just pirates. That's it. They want money, and will take it from whoever they can. Neither of those two fits with what the Knights are looking to do.

Another angle? You mean like:

These guys want to be vigilantes, only going after Kusari traders (if I read that right).

You mean what the Privateers do? I thought they were the vigilantes that the Bretonia government secretly supported but publicly want to hunt down for war crimes. You know, that thing that's described here?

The Privateers do not do that. We'll go after eveyone that we believe may be aiding the Kusari in any way. Don't care if you are Liberty, Rheinland, independant, Bretonian, Gallic, whatever. And as you are all very aware, I'm sure, we also had a bit of a run in with the Zoners.

There's WAY to much negative crap slung at almost every new idea that comes up. It really is quite shameful, to be honest. How about just letting them get on with their idea, and feeding back on how it actually works in the game, rather than all the **** slinging that I see going on every day.
So, two is enough eh? So, with the corsairs having the Sails, Benitez, the HAF, the Brotherhood, not to mention the unofficial groups, should they now be told to cut down the numbers? There is absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple groups, when they are occupying different niches. This is a different niche.

I am quite aware of this, yes, but when a Samura ship only logs on once in a blue moon (and I do particularly look for them, as I have a Freelancer working for the Blood Dragons), it'll get pretty boring pretty quickly, and, lo and behold, we have Privateers in the Sigmas, Kepler, and Galileo.

I believe we should look up the definition of the word negativity. Noting the first definition:

• marked by denial, prohibition, or refusal; marked by absence, withholding, or removal of something positive; denying a predicate of a subject or a part of a subject; denoting the absence or the contradictory of something; expressing negation
  

So, please tell me, where exactly have we not raised a legitimate concern that this is the Privateers, only with much more freedom that was stricken from the Privateers? Can someone say "Baseless attack on credibility"?

What the heck, lets even look at the second definition:

• lacking positive qualities; especially; disagreeable; marked by features of hostility, withdrawal, or pessimism that hinder or oppose constructive treatment or development; promoting a person or cause by criticizing or attacking the competition
  

In this light, I am quite disagreeable and pessimistic. Why? Because I've seen enough of these anti-Kusari factions to know that in a couple of weeks, they're going to get bored of the limited RP they've made, and either die out, or turn into the Privateers in a different place. Because of this, I am quite pessimistic about this kind of thing. However, in calling me negative and promoting the Knights, you, too, are being negative. So, why are you mudslinging, while I am raising a legitimate concern that they are just going to be the Privateers in a different place?

I'm just tired of the negativity Casero. Whether or not I am part of the knights is irrelevant. This isn't aimed at anyone specific, nor is it a trial by forum, it's an observation based on a long time of observing the forums. It would just be nice to see constructive ideas, rather than destructive ones. If that makes a trial by forum, then hang me by all means.

The knights are looking to create a new RP based on the Bretonia/Kusari conflict. That's a good thing. I would be saying exactly the same things if they were a Kusari faction. They should be given their chance to carry out their idea. If they don't do it well, it will fail. It's as simple as that.

And whether or not my comments help, they needed to be said. There is far too much negativity here.

I'm all for a constructive solution for this, however, the point that the Privateer ID allows for this exact RP in a ZoI that is reassuring and reasonable hasn't been addressed. Instead, I've encountered a large number of people who think it would just be better to call me a flamer (Of which I am neither of the internet definitions) and attempt to attack my credibility because I play in Kusari. I don't see what is really destructive about the solution that I propose. It is good that the Knights would like to add a new spectrum of RP to Kusari, however, the way it is being implemented is not something I really want to see.

It's just that there is a great deal of leniency given to the Pirate ID. Though I trust Mr. Anderson quite a bit (He's a valued member of the BPA, when he does log on), there is too much wiggle room. I just don't see why this can't be done with a Privateer ZoI, preying on smugglers to Kusari who are taking our gold to Narita and Samura/Kishiro leaving Kusari to Rheinland or Liberty. I just don't want it to be a Sirius-wide, lets-kill-more-Kusari-because-dey-tuk-er-leand!-fest.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[beunt]

On a forenote, please stop comparing Knights with the Privateer. The knights are much closer to the Joker gang gameplay-wise, and to the mollies RP-wise, than to the privateers in both matters. To think that Knights=Privateers because of the Bretonia roots is a mind shortcut you have to get rid of.

A) How is it that a bunch of refugees that are carrying only what they can get into a bag, how do they purchase weapons, ships, and you know, support their families why not having any income, as well as being spit up from people who have been moved all across Sirius. Lindburg talked about how terrorist groups form, so I will start with his example first, yes you were correct with what you said, what was missed was the 40 years of development that went into it. Lets look at Afghanistan, where the Mujahadeen had the 10 years of Soviet invasion followed by 10 years of anarchy in the country. The Tamil Tigers of Shri Lanka have been about 50 years in development. The Militia movement in the United States can be traced back to the reactionary groups from Reconstruction, some 150 years ago. My point is that these types of groups need an incubation of poverty, anger and time. They do not just spring up overnight, and I hate to tell you, Northern Leeds has been in Kusari hands for less than a year, and the war has been going on for what? Less than 3 years? Terrorism is not an overnight thing, its development can be traced back through an incubation process, that is similar to all terrorist groups around the world. Terrorists do not just wake up one day and say "I want to blow things up." I think too often in discovery, with out terrorist characters, we forget that, we seem to think terrorists just pop up all over the place, for no particular reason, which could not be further from the truth. Maybe our 24 hour news cycle and the way wars today fall on the ashes of other historical conflicts, it makes us simplify terrorism, and the causes of it.

This is true and a genuine issue to the knights background. However there are examples of rapid grown terrorism or hatred movements, for instance various resistance movement during WWII or the Vietnam war. Similarly, the mollies diden't wait for decades before engeging all-out war against the corsairs after the destruction of Cork. Finally, although the Bret-Kusari war officially last only three year, it does not comes out of nothing either. The premices ferments that led to this war the years before could also have feed the radical branch of nationalist movements, especially in the worker class from which most knights are natives. We still have to work this part of the background though.

1) Dragons
2) GC
3) Bretonians
4) Consortuim
5) Outcasts
6) Phantoms
7) Any random Merc who wants to come into Kusari and claim the bounty placed on FA/Hogosha/KSP/KNF/Kempati ships that is placed by OC and Bretonia.
8) Corsairs

On the other hand, this is irrelevant. The Bret threats are as numerous, here is their equivalent :

1) Mollies
2) Buccanners
3) Kusarians
4) Colonial Remnants
5) Phantoms (troublemakers to anyone in Sirius anyway)
6) Any others guns for hire working for Brenonia ennemies, occasional rogues, hackers, hessians, SCRA and even outcasts,
7) Corsairs (also troublemakers to anyone anyway)
8) Joker gang (several time a day, each day !).

No more whining about this please.

I'm all for a constructive solution for this, however, the point that the Privateer ID allows for this exact RP in a ZoI that is reassuring and reasonable hasn't been addressed.
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It is good that the Knights would like to add a new spectrum of RP to Kusari, however, the way it is being implemented is not something I really want to see.

Here is the the second genuine issue, the ZOI. We still have to work on it too, but we agreed about dramatically reduce it. Basically the knights won't show up in Houses space, including Bretonia space.

As a last note, an additional faction targetting Kusari won't change the in-game balance : whatever the number of hostiles factions, the server limit is still 200 players. At anytime, the more there will be knights, the less there will be of something else. Why do you take it so seriously ?

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[Fellow Hoodlum]

5) Phantoms (troublemakers to anyone in Sirius anyway)

Read up on Outcast/Phantom history sometime, and you may realise why Omicron 82 is just where it is.

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Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."