The situation's different with the Mollies, since they're not a faction that'd allow as much PvP abuse. The majority, if not all, indies who play the Mollies go there for the RP.
The Taus are a very busy part of Sirius with tremendous PvP abuse potential. Unleashing an uncontrolled number of Colonial indies would deepen the already existing problems of the area. Not all indies are idiots. A majority isn't, even. Some are, nonetheless.
A 100% free-for-all situation is impossible and won't be allowed, really.
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Right my apologies for not replying earlier but i missed the thread (mobile internetz takes ages)
As the Colonial Remnant's Fleet Admiral i am against indies for a simple reason, the nation simply is not big enough to support the vast ammount of ships and vessels it would generate.
As a co-writer of Colonial current RP i believe our full population is around 50,000 to 100,000 tops. Now lets compare that to the (could be wrong) billions of citizens of the houses.
Bretonia, Kusari, Rhineland, Liberty and to a lesser point the Outcasts and the Corsairs. Have the vast amount of people required to manufacture and build a huge fleet of warships. (From RP), The colonials currently have 4 warships which are outfitted for combat (BS class only), Valkyrie, Nemesis, Rubicon and coming soon the Triton. For which there is to be a massive RP for. Which could be already underway have not had much time to check forums.
Plus there is the RP based Warhammer which is an unengined test bed.
From RP you could say we have the Raw resources to build more, but we do not have the manpower to build many of such vessels.
And we all know what indies fly...
Now i joined CR a looong time ago. Seriously, i can tell you now that we are far more open to others than we used to be. We used to restrict those who were in other factions to LTJG (Fighter only) permanantly. Now the multi-faction rule has gone. It has been gone for a long time.
Now i am up for anyone applying, from having 1 day ingame to someone who has been here since the start of disco. I do not care about PVP or RP ability. As long as they are willing to learn.
In a way it is a attempt to restrict the flow of though i hate the term 'lulwuts' i proffer less RP minded peoples from crowding up the area with Zephs Arguses and Hydras. Because honestly we dont want a OC less RP minded VS a IMG/Colonial less RP minded conflict. Somehow i think the server could not take the vast amount of fire from that one.
Ok back to business here, I don't think this would be a good idea. As Baal (Atriedes) said, people can apply to be legal residents of tau 44 (again unheard of a few months ago) so if you have a wish to RP as a CR indy it would be your best bet.
Now i aint against indies, hell i fly several everywhere. If managed well it can be beneficial and i accept there are good indies here. But i think this is a case of the Majority spoiling it for the minority or vice versa. However i am against CR indies. It would say... break the balance, especially in the tau 23 area far too much. Almost as if someone had opened up nomads to indies what minor would be like. Lets just say... heavy lag and leave it at that eh.
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I support the idea of making the CR ID allowed for indies. Perhaps it could be sooner than the next mod though? Disco Canada already made the CR ID allowed on both the infocard and rule 6.4.
' Wrote:Intelectual property point: No, it is not yours, it belongs to the ones who created the wholesome RP and all else assorted with the factions. They know who they are.
No, it's not theirs either, when it was 'given' to the mod it became part of Discovery.
Panzer, your RP and oorp points apply to pretty much every faction on this server, bar C, P, N. WHY is the CR exempt from the 'delight' of indies when all other factions have them?
"Simply NO. As faction leader of the CR I won't have fleet indies. Anyone pretending to be one will receive the aforementioned three choices. Period."
Admiral Hale can't say that. LoteK can't say that. Admiral Malexa can't say that. Why can you?
' Wrote:No, it's not theirs either, when it was 'given' to the mod it became part of Discovery.
Panzer, your RP and oorp points apply to pretty much every faction on this server, bar C, P, N. WHY is the CR exempt from the 'delight' of indies when all other factions have them?
"Simply NO. As faction leader of the CR I won't have fleet indies. Anyone pretending to be one will receive the aforementioned three choices. Period."
Admiral Hale can't say that. LoteK can't say that. Admiral Malexa can't say that. Why can you?
Isn't insisting that the faction enjoy the 'delight' of unchecked indies on the grounds that everyone else has to just a little spiteful? There's spit in my food, so you should have yours spat in too.
Ignoring the points regarding the size of the Colonial population, not being a vanilla military, and all the others that have been made, the main point in retaliation seems to be that because everybody else has to do it, so do they.
Wouldn't the forward-thinking person be happy that not all factions have such things forced upon them? Shouldn't this thread have the opposite intention, looking for ways to better manage indies for the current factions who have almost no control over them, instead of momentarily ignoring the problem for the benefit of the argument and insisting other factions are subjected to it as well?
As has been repeated many times in the thread, the CR are open to individual people interested in becoming indies but insist they have the final word on whether each case flies or not. Admiral Hale, LoteK and Admiral Malexa don't have that level of control; don't you think they'd like to? Don't you think those factions would be infinitely better represented if their indies took the polite step of presenting their intentions to the official faction for feedback, input, and approval?
That, however, is getting into a discussion that is for another thread, and not one I'm interested in creating. I merely write it to make clear my point; that I believe this thread is an argument of if we have to suffer, so do you. I don't think that kind of thinking helps either side, and I don't support it in any way, shape or form.
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