Sabre Weapon Systems

[Fellow Hoodlum]

Doom is correct, it still is the only fighter with a forward firing turret, has been since the dawn of time. Though
bringing it and the other guns to bear on anything else, with its current manouverability is getting hard.
The Titan, usually the carrier of the 'slow old bus' crown, turns way better now, with more armour.
The hardpoint issue ... The wing mounted guns get blown off a whole bunch faster than the fuselage mounted
ones, I'd prefer my level 10's to stay right where they are.

Hoodlum

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Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."

[Doom]

for that u don't need to move hard points...it is only matter of editing some lines in shiparch.ini file...

[Nightfall]

However the thought of an extra pair of guns sounds good, they're OK imo.

Just some maneuverability is much needed. The Sabre is getting outturned by most of the fighters out there - even the Nephthys and Titan and every other House MKII VHF.

Gun placement is perfect as it is.

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If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov
The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor

[majkp]

Well I think Sabre can't be outturned by Titan and I don't know where you guys get it from.

The Titan is twice as heavy as the Sabre, so it accelerates and strafes slower. The same should apply to maneuverability, but I am not a modder myself...

Sabre
hit_pts = 11200
mass = 75.000000
steering_torque = 43000.000000, 43000.000000, 60000.000000
angular_drag = 41000.000000, 41000.000000, 41000.000000
rotation_inertia = 8400.000000, 8400.000000, 4400.000000

Titan
hit_pts = 13500
mass = 150.000000
steering_torque = 43000.000000, 43000.000000, 155000.000000
angular_drag = 41000.000000, 41000.000000, 141000.000000
rotation_inertia = 8400.000000, 8400.000000, 8400.000000

[Eppy]

Oh, god, I forgot about the subgroup damage:shok:!

Either way, I still think it's a good idea. I'll live without the gun changes, but agility and powerplant need some help. Maybe a little armor nudgey-nudgey, too.

And now, this, whih is off-topic, but I wanted to see if it would work:

:offtopic:

EDIT: Crap, it didn't work. I know there's a wierd little emoticon with a big "Off Topic" sign, Onca used it once. Anybody know how?

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[Dab]

Off-topic:

Find Virus' Emoticon post in the flood forum. Thats where it can be found. Not a natural board emoticon.

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[Eppy]

Off-Topic-Thanks. Now I can expand my natural powers of weirdness.

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[Nightfall]

Well I think Sabre can't be outturned by Titan and I don't know where you guys get it from.

The Titan is twice as heavy as the Sabre, so it accelerates and strafes slower. The same should apply to maneuverability, but I am not a modder myself...

Sabre
hit_pts = 11200
mass = 75.000000
steering_torque = 43000.000000, 43000.000000, 60000.000000
angular_drag = 41000.000000, 41000.000000, 41000.000000
rotation_inertia = 8400.000000, 8400.000000, 4400.000000

Titan
hit_pts = 13500
mass = 150.000000
steering_torque = 43000.000000, 43000.000000, 155000.000000
angular_drag = 41000.000000, 41000.000000, 141000.000000
rotation_inertia = 8400.000000, 8400.000000, 8400.000000

Majk, I know the numbers. They puzzle me too, but look at the steering torque and the angular drag. Not to mention I had to use every trick I know to be even close to match your turning.

A maneuverability increase would be most welcome.

As for the rest... Epyon, please reconsider what are you saying.

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If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov
The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor

[majkp]

I was trying every trick too...:)

There is a way to find out, and I will do it when I have some time - target a sun and count how many turns the ship does in one minute.

<end of off-topic> (sorry Epyon)

[Eppy]

Reconsider which part? The armor, the agility, the hardpoints, the powerplant, or my continuous hijacking of my own thread?

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.