Do too many factions have capital ships?

[Laerethe]

Because that's just laughable. No matter how hard you try, retarded things like order-corsair alliance will just never fly.

I think you need to look at this logically. Where else would you have sent them? The other houses wouldn't have helped for fear of alienating liberty; the allies in the Golden Chrysanthemums that I believe you meet(I haven't played Vanilla for some time) don't have the resources.

The Corsairs needed technology and protection.

Oh and bros, remember that Outcast population is growing thru' slavery despite the effects of Cardamine.
From now on, think twice before wasting 10 minutes to post something like ''DUHU!!! OCz haz not beeg populeysh00n, they haz cardi-cola and they cant haz make beybiezz DUHHUHUHUHUHU!!!11!1!11''

Somewhat true.

Actually, their slaves either die on cardamine plantations or just die elsewhere. This is nothing comparable to real population. But then again, it was already said in the beginning of this thread, and guess what, nobody cares and just goes on chanting about outcasts being new chinese.

Less are born, but they live more than twice as long; without knowing the length of fertility, judgements can't be made. Even assuming it is the same, that doesn't mean the population hasn't grown.

[Stuart.croll]

Quote:You truly are moronic.

Oops:nono:

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[Stuart.croll]

You truly are moronic.

Oops:nono:

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[Laerethe]

Oops:nono:

My apologies, I was a little irritated that he refused to read and even consider a logical view.

[Daedric]

I don't think so, but I will say that there are some that have them that really honestly shouldn't have them.

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[Klaw117]

Apotheosis, you do realize that you're trying to defend something that is regarded as nonsense by the vast majority of the community, right?

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
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Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

[Laerethe]

Apotheosis, you do realize that you're trying to defend something that is regarded as nonsense by the vast majority of the community, right?

Perhaps. But it'd be better to be explained, no? I'm simply defending the lore and why I believe it is acceptable. Are you saying the lore is nonsense?

Why argue against the lore? Its unlikely to be changed.

So please tell me exactly why. I don't know it all, but I would like to, so enlighten me. :)

[Zahas]

capitals are fun and you can avoid them very easy.
and whitout capitals the game would be too empty

[Vladimir]

Perhaps. But it'd be better to be explained, no?

No, it'd better be ignored and forgotten forever.

Where else would you have sent them? The other houses wouldn't have helped for fear of alienating liberty

Well, first of all, you don't need to help somebody openly. Second, neither kusari nor rheinland would really care about liberty, and both had a vast nomad/wilde problem they could use a hand with. Third, order wasn't even hostile to liberty, they were, in fact, pretty friendly, after saving the humanity and president in particular, so i don't see the point why liberty itself wouldn't help.

the allies in the Golden Chrysanthemums that I believe you meet(I haven't played Vanilla for some time) don't have the resources.

I don't remember any GC but there were bundies, so if one must choose unlawful path, rheinland unlawfuls would be more fitting. But then again, GC didn't have the resources? Neither did corsairs.

Oh and

Less are born, but they live more than twice as long; without knowing the length of fertility, judgements can't be made. Even assuming it is the same, that doesn't mean the population hasn't grown.

Well, the fertility problem was one of the main themes of outcasts, and just 20 years passed. Nothing can radically change.

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[Laerethe]

[quote name='Vladezhda' date='Feb 20 2012, 07:47 AM' post='1699608']
Njava script:emoticon(':laugh:',%20'smid_9')o, it'd better be ignored and forgotten forever.[/quote]

So you refuse to justify your statements?

[quote name='Vladezhda' date='Feb 20 2012, 07:47 AM' post='1699608']
Well, first of all, you don't need to help somebody openly. Second, neither kusari nor rheinland would really care about liberty, and both had a vast nomad/wilde problem they could use a hand with.[ Third, order wasn't even hostile to liberty, they were, in fact, pretty friendly, after saving the humanity and president in particular, so i don't see the point why liberty itself wouldn't help.[/quote]

Firstly, it would get out pretty quickly. Secondly, the other house wouldn't want to be seen to be helping a terrorist group; Liberty considers them terrorists, and so any aid given is a political catastrophe.

Thirdlyy, :nono:The Order are still considered a terrorist group by Liberty. They are frequently attacked by Navy fleets. Of COURSE Liberty wouldn't HELP them; they might be grateful for keeping Nomads away, but that unfortunately just isn't enough. Still hostile, still terrorists to Liberty.


[quote name='Vladezhda' date='Feb 20 2012, 07:47 AM' post='1699608']
I don't remember any GC but there were bundies, so if one must choose unlawful path, rheinland unlawfuls would be more fitting. But then again, GC didn't have the resources? Neither did corsairs.[/quote

The Corsairs were contacted BECAUSE they had the resources, just not the technology. It is well known that GC is lacking numbers and wealth, hence their close alliance with the Blood Dragons. Go read up on it, perhaps?

[quote name='Vladezhda' date='Feb 20 2012, 07:47 AM' post='1699608']
Oh and
Well, the fertility problem was one of the main themes of outcasts, and just 20 years passed. Nothing can radically change.
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I never said that fertility wasn't a problem; simply that longer lives, and potentially longer periods of child-bearing capacity could help to balance out cardamine effects.

I'm still looking for an explanation as to why it is nonsense to defend lore that is completely acceptable, logical and viable.