On request of the individual Kaze, who shall remain nameless, I'm adding my two cents here.
' Wrote:"Bad" is an entirely relative term.
I would expect that the Hogosha - like the Yakuza families of Japan, would simply adapt to the new political environment.
Adapt, survive.
' Wrote:So yeah. I base my vision of Hogosha on their RL counterparts - integrated into the society so thoroughly no political change can get rid of them. In fact even trying to do so would prove counter-productive. So, I can easily see the faction in charge - Kishiro - instead just putting up with them and putting them to good use.
This is exactly how i see the Hogosha nowadays. A while back, I've watches a documentary about the RL Yakuza, which was quite informative, and also gave me the epiphany of how the Hogosha should be.
They are similar to the police, but still far from it. Civilians pay the Yazuza for protection. This may sound like "Protection" nudge nudge wink wink, but the Yakuza actually DO give protection.
For example; A shopkeeper somewhere in Tokio, present day, has a few members of the Yakuza barge in on the first day that he's opening. They 'suggest' he pay them for his protection. He agrees.
An unspecific amount of time later, people start causing ruckus in his shop, and threaten his personell. He calls the Yakuza directly, and within several minutes, they are at the scene, 'dealing with' the people causing the ruckus, and afterwards, the shopkeeper is never bothered by them again. Shopkeeper is grateful, Yakuza are happy, GOVERNMENT is happy, since they didn't have to do it themselves.
This last part, is especially important and relative to this topic. This scenario was a small example of one of many things that the Yakuza does in Japan. The civilians are happy with them.
' Wrote:So yeah, I reckon the continuation of the Samura alliance would not make sense from the Hogosha perspective. They're adaptible buggers (IMO).
I don't fully agree with this part.
Even though the emperor is out of kusari, he might one day come back and once more claim the throne. If they abandon relations with the emperor and Samura, their safety is gravely impared IF the emperor does come back. THerefor, they wouldn't do that.
' Wrote:Because the Kusari government could be said to now care about what happens to Kishiro Technologies substantial investments in Okinawa.
The prospect of continued Hogosha attacks on GMG/Kishiro installations depends entirely on how far the Hogosha would be willing to push Kishiro, and how much Kishiro would use their influence in government to act against the Hogosha.
In terms of the lore concerning Samura/GMG hostility - that was always covert. Neither side publicly blamed the other - it was all very polite, as is the Kusari way. GMG's 'bad situation' was being placed under an onerous tax burden by Kusari, as well as the whittling down of KSP patrols on the Honshu border.
Besides - the lore indicates that a most of the Hogosha who infiltrated the government are now in jail. So unless they are planning on running the organisation from their cells - we can expect to see fresh leadership, and possibly a fresh approach.
Completely true. The latter already happened. I became the leader of the Black Dragon Society roughly two months (or 2 and a half, ish) ago. Ever since, i've been requesting of the members (more like demanding) they stop all piracy, and greatly shift their focus to the transportation of artifacts, like the RP says. We almost completely withdrew from Okinawa, and only came there when escorting someone. Also, we have not attacked Kishiro, but we tried forging an alliance, as someone suggested earlier in this topic.
Even several infocards suggest that we've been working together. Take Suzuka station for example. This is its infocard:
Suzuka station's infocard Wrote:Located next to the Golden Dragon Casino, Suzuka station serves as the primary refit station for racers who wish to test their fate against the deadly racetrack of Tottori. Various facilities and service robots have been purchased from Kishiro Technologies to provide racers with proper maintenance and performance parts for their vessels.
I think this speaks for itself.
I've been working out things after seeing this infocard. Instead of buying Quantum Multiplexors from Samura, like we did in 4.85, we now purchase Optronics (or optical chips, whatever they call em these days) from Kishiro. Even though no one knows where the cargo goes (well.. inRP that is;);)) it still generates income for Kishiro. I can't imagine they don't appreciate this.
' Wrote:Actually, the real issue is Kishiro, and GMG has absolutely nothing to do with this, and will continue to have nothing to do with these changes, regardless how much you attempt to bring them into it. I'm trying to make Hogosha's roleplay and lore conform to what the players think it should be, in regards to their relationship with Kishiro. That relationship directly affects their operations in Okinawa. If Hogosha aren't interested in remaining openly hostile to Kishiro, than they should not be openly attacking Isehara. As such, the lore in Oki might need adjusting.
Also Zelot, Hogosha do attack Kishiro in Okinawa. Hence this entire topic. By what you said, you seem to agree with me in that the Hogosha continuing to be openly hostile against Kishiro in Okinawa would be contrary to their new lore.
In regards to Slart's post I'd like to clarify that, though I said I could see Hogosha buddying up to Kishiro, I do feel it more likely that they try to play both sides of the fence;
[1:13:50 PM] Dabbykins: But I feel it is more likely
[1:13:53 PM | Edited 1:13:57 PM] Dabbykins: They try to play both sides of the fence
As I feel they wouldn't go away from Samura completely, especially considering their new operations in Nagano.
No, I want to know what the Hogosha players want Hogosha to be. Then I can adjust the lore to conform to that.
I've already discussed most subjects from the above quote, in the rest of this post. But i want to put some more emphasis on that the Hogosha does not attack Kishiro anymore.
We do indeed try to play on both sides of the fence which, like mentioned by Slartibartfast, would be in the Hogosha's best interest.
Earlyer today, i've sent AD a message regarding several nerfs on the Hogosha. Some points do attribute to this topic. I shall quote it here, on advice of Kaze, an individual who once again, shall not be named here:
Yuki in skype Wrote:So yes, the Hogosha. So basically, the faction is being outright killed in 4.86.
I will elaborate on this; I am absolutely fine with severely restricting the lolwut indy hogosha, because they were only pirating. They did not know anything about the hogosha, or their roleplay. This bothered me greatly. I'm glad to see this has been solved.
However, several issues are risking my faction, the black dragon society, of dying.
One of those issues, is the fighter limitations. The Black Dragon VHF now has a hitbox, that could practically fit 4 to 6 black dragons inside the hitbox of ONE. In addition, any kusari lawful gun will drop it's powercore to 9% instantly.
This includes the Kusari Lawful snac. The only snac being sold on Hogosha bases, is the unlawful one, which, inRP, is being created by the Blood Dragons. Their mortal enemy. This makes absolutely zero sense inRP.
[5:57:08 AM] Yuki: Thanks to this, any of our bombers' powercore is always at 90%, unless we mount one of the snacs from 4.85.
What also greatly limits us, is the cargo limit, which has been lowered not once, but twice. The first limitation, i had no objection to, since it allowed us to fly a Renzu Liner. Therefor, some of the people in the BDS bought one. Since update 3 however, we would technically have to sell it. This is a problem.
[5:59:14 AM] Yuki: In addition. The Hogosha are supposed to be a Militia faction. Meaning they can act as lawful authority in specific locations.For example, the Kanto field.
Because of the new ID, we can not even demand contraband anymore, even though that would make sense. Even if the demanding contraband would only be possible in specific locations (e.g. a certain distance from tradelanes).
I hope with this, I have informed you with enough feedback, Dab.
EDIT:
' Wrote:Dab you want to make hogosha close to Kishiro and Kishiro is close to GMG... impossible
So hogosha just do what CAN do in Okinawa and that piracy ... and where i present KSP or KNF than not..
simple...
Everything here is about relationship Kishiro-GMG
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@Igiss for 4.86
so hogosha and AFA ARE on Samura side GC on Kishiro ... end of story no need more Dab
You mean, just like how the GC and BD are on kishiro's side, but the outcasts are not on kishiro NOR on BD's side? I see. Your argument is invalid, since this is not the only example.
