So, bases

[Zen_Mechanics]

Any hardcore stuff like Zoners attacking rheinland and stuff is a major contrast to their ID and direct Zoner lore.

Pretty much like declaring war on Zoners and Order, but somehow you feel this action is justified because they managed to pull up 4 PoBs to back it up. Quite the RP reasoning, right?

We're talking about a zoner system. And no, the Phoenix do not own 74 in any way, as I've stated before, 74 is NOT owned by ANY player faction, this is a fact that I've been told by the Admins.

Then why are you defending ZA this much, ZA, who try to control what they don't own?

And how is it sad that Zoners can shoot Zoners? You probably have no idea what a real Zoner is. Let me help you with that, a Zoner is a person that didn't want to live under house laws and regulations therefore went over to the lawless Omicrons to do whatever they could. A zoner, in no way, is required to be friends with other Zoners, at all. The omicrons are lawless, there is no government to stop anything, any person can shoot anything else, they just have to deal with the consequences, mainly the fact that the people they shot will probably shoot them back. That's what a Zoner is. And that's the reason the Admins "allowed" it, because there's nothing wrong with it.

And the issue here is that ZA tend to forget their weaknesses as Zoners. Piss off your neighbor and you get shot at, it's just that simple. Living out at the edge of civilization, striving for survival, and bamm, one bunch of Zoners decide to shoot at the other Zoners for some stupid reason? The key word here is "consequences".

Again, go check up on what powergaming is. That is not powergaming. Stop repeating yourself.

By my interpretation that act is powergaming, and if you fail to convince me with reason, it stays this way.

Uhm, yes? Here, let's do this slowly, so people understand.

>A zoner faction, that is, a Zoner can have any diplomacy they want -because they're basically independent people-, a group of them, goes into ZA, a somewhat large group.
>By looking at their action history, they seem like an aggressive bunch.
>They start building multiple bases near the holes, that is, the entry and exit points of that system. And not near just one hole, all of them.

It's kinda obvious. If people couldn't see that, well, that's just their incompetence.

Aaaand that's the god damn issue here, because people who chose to represent Zoners don't act like Zoners, because people too often tend to play their strengths and forget about their weaknesses entirely, and in-game representation of several factions is pretty far from their real in-lore numbers.

They technically can't have any diplomacy they want because most of the options they have would leave them to extinction. Omicrons and edge worlds are harsh places where you can't do anything you want, else you die easily. People out there really have to think twice before they act and that is what I don't see at ZA. You know, you neither see me being cocky with TAZ, CR and Bretonia with my Council Colonel, because that would mean losing a bunch of neighbours as allies and would basically mean the death warrant of whole Roussillon. I am fully aware of the consequences of my actions, and while I could turn the tide of events towards this path, I am very well aware what it would cause. ZA doesn't really seem to be caring about the inRP consequences of their actions. And that they have bases doesn't really justify how they act.

Again, the main point is to suffer from the consequences. It's kinda obvious. If people couldn't see that, well, that's just their incompetence.

Say what? Why the hell would a Zoner have to give a damn about some random people who think they're all spies and stuff?

Because they are god damn living next to eachother. You just don't simply ignore somebody living next door. Yup, that applies only to the Omicron Zoners, but currently they are who we are talking about.

a large group like the ZA which has the resources to build multiple bases, or any other zoner(s) with large ships or a somewhat large amount of ships?

Again, game mechanics lol, if gathering in-game resources would mean that much, Council would have won their civil war already by my powertrading. Your logic fails here.

And yes, you're screwing it all up more by bringing more retarded rules, rules are the reason that the server has deteriorated from a roleplaying server to...whatever this is.

Nah, it's frankly the opposite. Rules keep the server from total anarchy lol. You see, there are no rules about PoBs yet. And of course, you also see all the sh*tstorm around them. Now do the math.

Its not like you can force the admins to remove those bases just because inrp they should be dead, but in a way it does require rp story to match its.. actions, I agree on this one, but on the ground, until you take those bases out those ZA are going nowhere, and frankly I thougth we've been through this whole thing, but now the order decided yet again to continue this none-sense, knowing fully that it will spawn oorps all around, he may not haz the power to stop them, but he is responsible. I am talking as a neutral observer all along and I support both parties, so long as its fun and in the bounds of reason.. but we can't pick on the ZA anymore it looks cheap and silly, its no longer their fault and I think its time to admit that, do you agree?

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