Why do versions take so long?

[Hone]

The main problem with the dev team is how rest of the community like to sit on their high horses and lecture about how they can do this and that within a week and get a new version ready within a couple of months, but never actually stepping up to do anything, or coming up with a random excuse to get out of doing anything actually useful when they're offered a chance to help. All the talk about "step aside so we take over and show you how it's properly done" is also the typical ego-centered internet behavior where people who can't actually do a thing just want the position and the attention of being the "lead dev" and can't bear the shame of being "a nobody who actually gets stuff done".

The current dev team is far from perfect and far from active, no argue with that, but with the whole community simply sitting, watching and whining about how "they" can do it better while actually not doing a thing... My question is - Why are you even surprised? Complaining for the sake of complaining topped off by their egos pretty much results in threads like this popping up every now and again, and even when offered a chance to contribute something to the community as a whole, same people who post in these sorts of threads simply chicken out by saying random crap like "things will go nowhere with the current people in charge" or "there's no way I'll join a team with person X and Y in it", and naturally nothing will get done long as you're putting your personal importance and egoboost above the actual progress of the mod.

That would be the same typical response other dev members have given over the course of the years; and has never had any merit.

Many, many members of the community have stepped up and helped out only to be drove away by other devs, left after the lack of anything getting done, or jump ship because of the attitude your displaying. (Not saying DPC has nothing to do with adding to the delay for 4.87)

The reason for the long delays is because of the disorganization within the dev team and an insistence on releasing 'grand' updates instead of smaller, quicker, more adaptive updates.

Also doesn't help that a large number of veteran devs jumped ship and are playing other games and chatter about Star Citizen.

In response; allow me to quote a similar conversation from a similar thread:

Funny... this was basically implemented in the Infocarding department. Guess what happened? Most of the community volunteers flaked out and produced next to nothing.

Well I was one of those volunteers. When I first joined, we had a clear task to do, but after we'd done that, we were not given another clear task for months, just talk about dev concepts the non devs didnt understand and "yes we'll really have to give them something to do" of course people lost motivation. When I was finally given something to do, writing the infocard and rumours for a base, I completed it to above minimum specification, and then heard nothing for months again, at which point the chat was suddenly moved without me.

So I dont think you should really be blaming us.

Also Id like to say I appreciate our Dev team giving up its time to work on our mod.

So I dont think you should really be blaming us.

I didn't mean to blame you, exactly, as the fault is partially a managerial one; I simply provided an example of a proposed idea that didn't exactly backfire, but neither did it work exactly how we would have liked.\

As for RTW:

Yeah I recently started a Carthaginian campaign. Just took my army through the Alps, and am currently in Cisalpine Gaul attacking Rome from the North, while I launch seaborn raids to sack cities in the south.

Dude I hope your not playing Vanilla. Download Europa Barbarorum if you haven't done so already. I'll just say your welcome now.

The coolest Rome mod is Roma Surrectum II:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/roma-surrectum-ii
It is even better then the console preped shiet called Rome II.

I saw both those mods when I was browsing the rome forums a year or so back, but neither really appealed to me, I ended up just making my own mod, trying for a more realistic damage mod effect (cos the fights are just pathetic when the guys stab at each other every 5 seconds or so really slowly and dont kill each other) using Hadrian and Caligula mod tools, as well as Ini. Editing.

I then played the Viking mod for Barbarian invasion, and the Bernard Cornwell Uthred mod for THAT mod!

However I only recently, re-installed and am so now basically playing vanilla, except for a quick ini mod I made to nerf level 2 and 3 siege towers.

-Cos come on, free ballista and super armour for no more build point cost? It means the guy who built the large or epic stone wall has a DISADVANTAGE!

I fixed your spacing because it was horrendous. Seriously, do you have a cat on your return key or something? As for the content, I'll leave that to the mods to decide. -Champ

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