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Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP?

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Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP?
Offline Antonio
01-10-2017, 12:44 PM,
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(01-10-2017, 12:21 PM)Divine Wrote:
(01-10-2017, 11:47 AM)Antonio Wrote: ... what matters is the status after the change compared to other equipment or ships of its class and balance in general.

... The buff makes it have the damage of a mosquito, ammo of a mosquito and range of a train. Again, nomads -don't have- an alternative, they -can't choose- between mosquitos & trains, they only have 1 version which is made to be between the two.

... End result? A balanced alternative to human tech.

... Nomad mines are a slightly better version of Nukes because yet again Nomads don't have an alternative such as a Screamer or a Ripper which is overall a disadvantage, especially on bombers.

... with a lot of stuff still missing (Nomads don't have flaks, cap missiles or solarises).
Then why make all those special cases in terms of trying to balance out obviously unbalancable nomad-tech instead of creating carbon-copies of human-tech with nomad-looks or just making it plain invisible?
A CD with both advantages of the Mosquito plus the range-advantage of the Train -is- a better item. More powerful Nukes are better. And lets not start talking about the permacloak.
Nomads, as you pointed out multiple times in your post, lack the variety of human-tech to roll with, but the solution to that isn't some mediocre balancing but instead adding the missing equipment to give them the same choices as everyone else. It's not that everyone doesn't get to use the same copied gear anyways. And there's tons of equipment surely nobody ever uses you could just re-use and change, it's not even adding anything new to the mod. And when in doubt or not having a model available, make it invisible.

As for the permacloak: why again? There's absolutely no need for that as it's throwing away any balance around cloaks. The argument that Nomads don't have that much points to reload is invalid, bc that just means they need more places they can sneakily dock with.

Keepers used to fly with all the pre-balanced gear and we did just fine (granted the Voidrunner was an LF back that day). And guess what, people even used the cruiser and we still were able to cause carnage. That being said, as I mentioned the Keepers, it's been said ever since that Nomads need the choices of equipment everyone has, which was never addressed. And despite that, we did well in combat.

Adding proper Nomad alternatives for all human tech is a WiP and something I am inclined to do, but it requires involvement from other devs as well. I'm strictly talking about the status quo, which does unfortunately serve as a temporary band-aid compared to a much better solution you suggested. It's already on our list and will come in the future, that I can assure you of.

Permacloaks are something I, as a leader of a Wild faction, don't like one bit. In fact I would like to see it removed if anything, because the way it's being used is flawed and we see people roleplaying while infinitely cloaked more than anything else (which is terrible, please stop doing that for the love of God) at the moment. Not only that, but having 10-15 minutes of cloak already does most of the job for stuff like buttcloaking, scouting, moving through dangerous areas, etc. It'd require the Nomads to be able to drop engagement notice before uncloaking though.

Edit: Why that was never done (Nomads getting all equivalents to human tech) I really can't tell since I joined the dev team recently, but I'm willing to start the initiative. Better late than never, right?
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Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Zelot - 01-10-2017, 08:12 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Backo - 01-10-2017, 08:16 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Zelot - 01-10-2017, 08:34 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 08:59 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by diamond1 - 01-10-2017, 09:11 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Zelot - 01-10-2017, 09:23 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Foxglove - 01-10-2017, 09:25 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Backo - 01-10-2017, 09:45 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Zelot - 01-10-2017, 09:55 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Foxglove - 01-10-2017, 10:14 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Backo - 01-10-2017, 10:24 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 09:31 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 09:57 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Backo - 01-10-2017, 10:04 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Epo - 01-10-2017, 10:16 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Alley - 01-10-2017, 10:32 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Backo - 01-10-2017, 10:35 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Arbs - 01-10-2017, 11:12 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Zelot - 01-10-2017, 01:38 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 10:42 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Backo - 01-10-2017, 10:47 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by HuggieSunrise - 01-10-2017, 11:25 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Zelot - 01-10-2017, 01:45 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Antonio - 01-10-2017, 11:47 AM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Divine - 01-10-2017, 12:21 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Backo - 01-10-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Antonio - 01-10-2017, 12:44 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Backo - 01-10-2017, 12:51 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Haste - 01-10-2017, 02:23 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 12:00 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 12:31 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Divine - 01-10-2017, 12:38 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 12:47 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 01:00 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Foxglove - 01-10-2017, 01:57 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Zelot - 01-10-2017, 02:17 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Foxglove - 01-10-2017, 02:29 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Zelot - 01-10-2017, 02:33 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Foxglove - 01-10-2017, 02:40 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 02:26 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Haste - 01-10-2017, 02:30 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 02:40 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Traxit - 01-10-2017, 02:49 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Haste - 01-10-2017, 02:50 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Divine - 01-10-2017, 03:16 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Jayce - 01-10-2017, 02:52 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Sombs - 01-10-2017, 03:19 PM
RE: Why is Nomad gear so good for PVP? - by Malacore - 01-10-2017, 03:23 PM

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