Carriers fullfilling the wrong role.

[Tenacity]

everyone is aware that they cant make the carrier launch ships. he is just saying nerf their cap ship killing ability pretty much. carriers in all reality, absolutely cannot kill a warship that is made for killing other ships. it is a specialized class of ship not made for head to head combat, it is a glorified command chair. that is why among its fighters it also is supported by things like battleships, cruisers, and frigates.

Unless you want to give the carriers 3000m/s cannons with 2k range so we can deal with fighter and bomber whores, the only thing you'll be accomplishing is pissing off anyone that actually flies these ships.

Guess what, this isnt battleship, we're not fighting on open seas, this is a sci-fi game and it doesnt have to bend to your self-serving reality, mmkay? I'm getting fricking tired of people trying to undo all the work I did to make the Order LAC a competent ship in the first place.

and the OLC can whack an osiris. ive seen it happen.

Was it an AA-built Osiris? All Solaris?

Or was the Osiris player just afk?

It is numerically impossible for a single LAC to kill a single battleship, assuming both have full bats/bots and proper loadout.

so. a carrier should be nerfed in power output and armament to better suit its imposed class of ship. and the player should hire escorts (other players) to form a carrier group. not just be a flying fortress

Once more, find a magical way to raise the player cap on the server and there's a chance in hell that I'll agree with you, but until that happens, there are constantly players -forced- to fly solo because nobody else in their faction happens to be online. I'm sorry, but I RP my carrier as a support ship for patrols at the ass-end of the universe, I like flying alone, and I dont relish the idea of suddenly becoming prey to even the damn NPC patrols because you people cant get your brains unhinged from the word "carrier".

But the thing about carriers,

If they have heaps of bb, heaps of armor, but not that good weapons... (about the same firepower as a light-medium cruiser,) It would probably still be more powerful than your average battleship.

I'd also say cut the speed.

Once more, a billion bats and bots wont do anything when I have no defenses. You want to piss and moan about any carrier, do it for the Liberty dreadnaught, the OLAC is fine. Still, even the liberty carrier isnt an issue right now, as it's balanced similarly to heavy battleships.



I'm really getting tired of repeating myself. Until you come up with a way to give me swarms of NPC fighters and bombers that i can launch and command at my whim, Carriers will be balanced in the same manner as their respective ship classes. Changing that is only going to make this mod more of a bomberwhore's wet dream.

the carrier, you know giant boat with a flight deck...in all reality should not have 16 battleship guns. if anything it should have GB guns. or guns similar to. again it is not made for direct ship to ship combat. it is meant to call the shots from the side lines. other ships deal with whatever decides to come into its range.

Well, I'm sorry, but in this game, they -are- meant for direct combat. How many times have you succesfully killed an enemy battleship pelting you with heavy mortars by saying "I launch mah bombarz! You die!" in system chat? yea, I think none.

You people dont freaking get it do you? Game mechanics limit how these ships can be balanced.


Like I said, just rename the damned things, I'm tired of this argument coming up once a month when someone decides to whine about something other than bombers.

The numbers are an exaggeration, but why would there be a carrier with out any kind of fighter support?

Because I dont have a jumble of little minion players that are online 24/7 to do what I command, perhaps? Are you really that dense?

Back during 4.84, despite the fact that I didnt have a carrier at that time, Almost every time I got onto the server to play with my Order character, I was the -only- Order player online. Occasionally one or two others might show up, but they usually went off and did their own thing instead of wanting to sit around and help me do -my- RP, and honestly I dont fricken blame them.

Turn this game into a full fledged MMO with no player limit, and -then- we can talk about constantly relying on other players to even be able to undock. Until then, kindly stop this ridiculous argument.

---