Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors

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Poll: How should the Zoners respond to the recent actions of the Asgard Warriors? You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
The AW should no longer sully the Zoner name. They should cease all alliances with and vendetta against all organisations immediately, in accordance with Zoner neutrality. If they are unwilling to abide by Zoner neutrality, they should cease all Zoner affiliation.	22.22%	4	22.22%
Includes the first option, and AW should also be required to pay full compensation to those attacked by the AW since they first provided illegal support to the Hellfire Legion. The AW should also send full and sincere letters of apology to all those hurt by their actions.	11.11%	2	11.11%
The AW should not be required to abide by Zoner neutrality.	33.33%	6	33.33%
The AW have already done enough damage to the Zoner reputation for neutrality and should be required to end all Zoner affiliation.	33.33%	6	33.33%
Total		18 vote(s)	100%

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Zoner vote regarding the actions of the Asgard Warriors

Firebird

03-20-2007, 03:34 AM,

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Quote:Actually, Koolmo we didn't violate our ID. The very first shot fired when the AW were involved was the BSG. I cruised into a fight, sat there and typed that the BSG must cease fire on all HF ships or we would open fire. The BSG nearest me turned and opened fire on me as I was sitting there, seconds after I finished typing. Then the SF and SA joined in on the BSG side and shot us as we went after the BSG. So this war is technically a matter of self-defense.

Since this is described here and is related to the discussions couple of points I'd like to make.

The incident in question occurred in Cambridge if I remember (as suggested by the pressence of SF...not sure if SA was actually on the server at that point, have to dig but it doesn't really matter).

1) I believe at this point the HF were declared hostile by the SF for previous actions by their ships.
2) Why is AW giving THREATS in a system outside their control? Or even giving threats at all if they're neutral?
3) Am I surprised by BSGs response of opening fire, not really, AW/Dab threatened to open fire on them...they obviously didn't take kindly to the threat.
4) When does self-DEFENSE extend into launching ATTACKS in the aid of the HF?

Now as to the zoner ID, the Zoner's are basically a civilian type trader or am I wrong? Zoners to be neutral they basically mind their own business and don't give a damn about anyone elses, hence why anyone is generally allowed on their stations. AW has never acted that way since for a military group it would be really boring, lol.

AW wants/needs a neutral tag since they want to take merc missions on both lawful and unlawful sides which was the original reason they went for the Zoner ID in the first place, or am I wrong?

Yes, AW doesn't claim to be Zoners but they use the Zoner ID, Zoner's neutrality, and I do believe somewhere stated they militarily support the Zoners. But I think most people here are saying is that the AW don't support the Zoners, they support themselves and their own agenda. So here's the suggestion, since AW have their own agenda which doesn't match any other affiliated rep why not use an unattached ID, I do believe a new Mercenary ID was added recently, wouldn't that be much more appropriate then the Zoner's? AW wouldn't loose Theta either since it could easily be RPed that with all the incidents and the finding of Gran Canaria that most Zoners left Omicron Theta allowing it to be taken over and run by the AW.