Powergaming/Metagaming/Powerplaying

[Dab]

Either way, I stick to what I've said here:
And regarding this part:
Are you denying my statement that as a regular player, not leader of an official faction you requested from Admins to fix the Joker's and Thugs' rep and that it was granted?

I was speaking about the issue of you thinking this was about the Joker. Yes, I asked admins for a rep change, as CoZ chairman (CoZ is granted some faction rights, and has been since Malaclypse was the chair. Example; We have a message dump when it is only allowed for factions). Regardless of what *I* thought on the matter, the admins had the final say. If they told me the threat wasn't significant enough to warrant repping him hostile, I would've been perfectly fine with it and continued on my way. Many non-admin players also gave valid reasons why said person would be hostile to Zoners after making his threat. This was covered in another thread completely, don't drag it in here.

Well Dab we all think this is about Joker. Isn`t powergaming not to listen to joker demands and staying on position as a council chairman ( well it`s a game no one can make you to step down on your position, what kind of RP is to let bunch of people die, you could at least act as leaving the chairman position to see what will happen with bombs)...that was powergaming or powerroleplaying

If this were about the Joker, I would've posted something like this days ago. Also, how is it powerplaying to not give in to a terrorist's demands? So if someone was RPing the president of Liberty (Powell) and he didn't resign because the Xenos told him he had to, he's powerplaying? That makes no sense at all...

And again, this is not about the Joker incident. Ask him yourself, I RP'd with him in-game and extensively on the forums.

Dab, can you specify exactly what you meant with powergaming, in this recent incident, and also for the one where there was the mentioned thread?

Would be useful to have as many concrete examples of what is called 'powergaming' or 'metagaming' ingame. Right now it cant really be discussed because we would have to guess what you mean.

What I mean by powergaming is RPing something that your character wouldn't be able to do. Metagaming is when your RP your character knowing something they shouldn't know, or 'hacking' into secure communications they don't have access to (the latter is the most common example of it).

1: Joker asking you to resign from your Zoner position because he didt like what you did to one of his friends

Unless he's angry about something that happened OORP, than this is not powergaming. I don't think that was the case for that situation anyway. I'm not saying Joker powergamed, this thread is directed to several other situations. I'd name them, but I don't want this to be a trial by forum, it's meant to be a word of advice to those doing it or thinking of doing it. If the Joker situation was what I was concerned with, I'd have taken it to the Joker privately.

If thats the one you mean, I think its a legitimate thing to do in RP. I think you handled that situation very well, by not giving in. It was the correct thing to do, and what any goverment would have done (for example german gov didnt bow to the RAF rote armee fraktion). A small comment... if he had done the same thing to someone else, admins possibly wouldnt have set him red with all zoners. It was the right thing to do, but I think it wouldnt have been done to help many other zoners apart from you.

If the demand had been made to another Zoner, but with the same threat (bomb on stations), I'd have asked the admins for a rep change then as well. It wasn't because he targeted me, it was because he targeted Zoners. If, for example, the threat had been aimed directly at me ("if you don't resign in 48 hours, I'll kill you") no rep change would have been requested, for the threat wasn't at the Zoners, but at a single individual. Again; Not the situation this thread is aimed at.

2: Another thing that I consider meta/powergaming is this: taking up a position agianst your own faction or allies to help someone who would actually be your enemy, because of personal relations with players.
Many examples for this. Saronsen shot Order ships to defend oracles (because he didnt like the Order players), he sided with Outcasts and Phantoms to shoot LN (because he didnt liek the navy players), and was as I hear very triggerhappy with is juggy.
The argument that is almost put forward is 'fairness' and that the other people are 'pvp-whore', but the REAL reason is that you rather side with the players behind the characters, because they your friends or you consider them more influencial.
Of course the peopel that you shoot or the allies that you dont help notice this, and it really cooks up tempers.

This would be one concrete example of powergaming, yes. It was one of the reasons for this thread, but far from the sole one.

What are the concrete examples you consider powergaming?

The reason I haven't given concrete examples in this thread is that I don't want to make this a trial-by-forum. It was never meant to be. The people who are doing it know who they are, and the people who aren't doing it may think twice before doing it, but I'm not going to put them on the spot in front of the community for it.


@Zelot; That is not helping...

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