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The Knights of Bretonia
Offline BaconSoda
12-23-2009, 07:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-23-2009, 07:44 PM by BaconSoda.)
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I suppose we are expected to lift another moutain of arguments but we all know how this usually end. Let's wait for an ingame test, and people we RP'ed with will be welcome to post their feedback.
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No, what is expected in a thread like this is that you work with the people who have concerns to reassure them or reach a compromise with them. We have a legitimate concern, by posting this here, you have given us the opportunity to be reassured that our concerns are, in fact, warranted, or reach a compromise that we both agree on to make this reasonable to both parties.

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I'm seconding this statement.
As for the idea of the knights, I find it sad that there's so much antipathy. This is a group of folks that want to come in at the Kusari/Bretonia conflict from another angle. There's nothing wrong with that. Yes, there's the Privateers, but we are pirates opperating in Kusari and the Taus. The Buccaneers are just pirates. That's it. They want money, and will take it from whoever they can. Neither of those two fits with what the Knights are looking to do.

Another angle? You mean like:

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- Our goal is the same, we both want to hamper Kusari's economy, launch terrorist attacks against Kusari, but at the same time we are independent of the Bretonian government (for real, not secretly as was with the Privateers).
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Which is exactly what the Privateers do? Hampering Kusari's economy, only on the other side of Kusari where the admins told the Privateers that they can't go?

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These guys want to be vigilantes, only going after Kusari traders (if I read that right).

You mean what the Privateers do? I thought they were the vigilantes that the Bretonia government secretly supported but publicly want to hunt down for war crimes. You know, that thing that's described here?

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All other traders just get asked to donate to the cause, and if they refuse they go on their merry way.[/quote]

So, there is no room to alter the Privateer RP for that little provision when creating a different Privateer faction? Instead, they're going to have the ability to go everywhere, and do anything?

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The Privateers do not do that. We'll go after eveyone that we believe may be aiding the Kusari in any way. Don't care if you are Liberty, Rheinland, independant, Bretonian, Gallic, whatever. And as you are all very aware, I'm sure, we also had a bit of a run in with the Zoners.

There's WAY to much negative crap slung at almost every new idea that comes up. It really is quite shameful, to be honest. How about just letting them get on with their idea, and feeding back on how it actually works in the game, rather than all the **** slinging that I see going on every day.
So, two is enough eh? So, with the corsairs having the Sails, Benitez, the HAF, the Brotherhood, not to mention the unofficial groups, should they now be told to cut down the numbers? There is absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple groups, when they are occupying different niches. This is a different niche.

I am quite aware of this, yes, but when a Samura ship only logs on once in a blue moon (and I do particularly look for them, as I have a Freelancer working for the Blood Dragons), it'll get pretty boring pretty quickly, and, lo and behold, we have Privateers in the Sigmas, Kepler, and Galileo.

I believe we should look up the definition of the word negativity. Noting the first definition:
  • marked by denial, prohibition, or refusal; marked by absence, withholding, or removal of something positive; denying a predicate of a subject or a part of a subject; denoting the absence or the contradictory of something; expressing negation
So, please tell me, where exactly have we not raised a legitimate concern that this is the Privateers, only with much more freedom that was stricken from the Privateers? Can someone say "Baseless attack on credibility"?

What the heck, lets even look at the second definition:
  • lacking positive qualities; especially; disagreeable; marked by features of hostility, withdrawal, or pessimism that hinder or oppose constructive treatment or development; promoting a person or cause by criticizing or attacking the competition
In this light, I am quite disagreeable and pessimistic. Why? Because I've seen enough of these anti-Kusari factions to know that in a couple of weeks, they're going to get bored of the limited RP they've made, and either die out, or turn into the Privateers in a different place. Because of this, I am quite pessimistic about this kind of thing. However, in calling me negative and promoting the Knights, you, too, are being negative. So, why are you mudslinging, while I am raising a legitimate concern that they are just going to be the Privateers in a different place?

' Wrote:I'm just tired of the negativity Casero. Whether or not I am part of the knights is irrelevant. This isn't aimed at anyone specific, nor is it a trial by forum, it's an observation based on a long time of observing the forums. It would just be nice to see constructive ideas, rather than destructive ones. If that makes a trial by forum, then hang me by all means.

The knights are looking to create a new RP based on the Bretonia/Kusari conflict. That's a good thing. I would be saying exactly the same things if they were a Kusari faction. They should be given their chance to carry out their idea. If they don't do it well, it will fail. It's as simple as that.

And whether or not my comments help, they needed to be said. There is far too much negativity here.

I'm all for a constructive solution for this, however, the point that the Privateer ID allows for this exact RP in a ZoI that is reassuring and reasonable hasn't been addressed. Instead, I've encountered a large number of people who think it would just be better to call me a flamer (Of which I am neither of the internet definitions) and attempt to attack my credibility because I play in Kusari. I don't see what is really destructive about the solution that I propose. It is good that the Knights would like to add a new spectrum of RP to Kusari, however, the way it is being implemented is not something I really want to see.

It's just that there is a great deal of leniency given to the Pirate ID. Though I trust Mr. Anderson quite a bit (He's a valued member of the BPA, when he does log on), there is too much wiggle room. I just don't see why this can't be done with a Privateer ZoI, preying on smugglers to Kusari who are taking our gold to Narita and Samura/Kishiro leaving Kusari to Rheinland or Liberty. I just don't want it to be a Sirius-wide, lets-kill-more-Kusari-because-dey-tuk-er-leand!-fest.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
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The Knights of Bretonia - by Wolfs Ghost - 12-21-2009, 05:08 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Linkus - 12-21-2009, 05:14 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Marcus Lindberg - 12-21-2009, 05:17 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Wolfs Ghost - 12-21-2009, 05:18 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Markus_Janus - 12-21-2009, 05:32 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Wolfs Ghost - 12-21-2009, 05:41 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Exsiled_one - 12-21-2009, 09:58 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Zelot - 12-21-2009, 10:01 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Wolfs Ghost - 12-21-2009, 10:33 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Exsiled_one - 12-21-2009, 10:46 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Ceoran - 12-21-2009, 11:29 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Wolfs Ghost - 12-21-2009, 11:40 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Tomtomrawr - 12-21-2009, 11:54 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Wolfs Ghost - 12-21-2009, 12:04 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Tomtomrawr - 12-21-2009, 12:10 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Ceoran - 12-21-2009, 12:18 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Exsiled_one - 12-21-2009, 12:24 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Marcus Lindberg - 12-21-2009, 12:33 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Exsiled_one - 12-21-2009, 12:59 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Marcus Lindberg - 12-21-2009, 01:17 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Exsiled_one - 12-21-2009, 01:20 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by casero - 12-21-2009, 01:21 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by ProwlerPC - 12-21-2009, 03:34 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Fellow Hoodlum - 12-21-2009, 03:48 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Zelot - 12-21-2009, 07:14 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by mwerte - 12-21-2009, 07:33 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by BaconSoda - 12-22-2009, 06:38 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Wolfs Ghost - 12-22-2009, 02:25 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by beunt - 12-22-2009, 03:32 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Varok - 12-22-2009, 06:41 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by BaconSoda - 12-22-2009, 06:43 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by beunt - 12-22-2009, 11:42 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Zelot - 12-22-2009, 11:47 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by beunt - 12-22-2009, 11:51 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Marcus Lindberg - 12-23-2009, 02:21 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by AJBeast - 12-23-2009, 02:38 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Wolfs Ghost - 12-23-2009, 04:14 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by BaconSoda - 12-23-2009, 06:52 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Drake - 12-23-2009, 06:58 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by casero - 12-23-2009, 07:12 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Marcus Lindberg - 12-23-2009, 07:13 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by beunt - 12-23-2009, 07:50 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Exsiled_one - 12-23-2009, 08:45 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by ... kur nubėgo? - 12-23-2009, 12:04 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Stoat - 12-23-2009, 12:32 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Stoat - 12-23-2009, 01:14 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Exsiled_one - 12-23-2009, 01:49 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Wolfs Ghost - 12-23-2009, 02:08 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by beunt - 12-23-2009, 04:31 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Zelot - 12-23-2009, 06:00 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Sprolf - 12-23-2009, 06:06 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Zelot - 12-23-2009, 06:10 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Sprolf - 12-23-2009, 06:12 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Zelot - 12-23-2009, 06:17 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Exsiled_one - 12-23-2009, 06:23 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by mwerte - 12-23-2009, 06:26 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Zelot - 12-23-2009, 06:27 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by BaconSoda - 12-23-2009, 07:42 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by beunt - 12-23-2009, 09:39 PM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Fellow Hoodlum - 12-24-2009, 01:36 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Guest - 12-24-2009, 05:13 AM
The Knights of Bretonia - by Stoat - 12-24-2009, 10:42 PM

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