I think this is all a great idea, nothing wrong with spicing things up. I remember back when the original ZA was prowling about and it resulted in ironic twists, internal conflicts, and eventually wound up all being resolved. I don't even consider this some meme faction, since the ZA wound up basically being Zoner villans, it was fun to have them to fight against and wonder what crazy thing they'd try to pull off next. Purposely bringing that back just for some fun and pews doesn't seem so bad.
So this faction idea really to me is about giving us a taste of that again, under what seems like will be a much more controlled situation. I say let it run its course and see what happens. I understand the originals (TA) might not like, but TA's problem in the end was perhaps taking it a bit too seriously. If there is no real claim to the ZA still, I don't see why it shouldn't be tried. It is poking fun a bit, but time to see it for what it really was.
As to the storyline effect, this does seem like a logical direction regarding the change of hands of Freeport 2. I had been under the impression the station had been abandoned to local outlaws in full knowledge of the leaving Zoners, but I found that a little out of place. So this was going to take some form or another, this tribute to zoner antics of years past is perfect for a modern zoner shake up, and seems to me those behind it know full well what direction to take it. It was fun to have the ZA to fight against before, and I look forward to seeing how it all pans out.
As to an ID, an individual one makes sense but it seems to come about suddenly, and it does bust in and sort of go around the usual procedures, time and numbers to get such an ID so soon. If they can't get an altered ID, maybe the members should start working on SRP chars, and in the meantime the admins could make Bering another 'contested zone' allowing regular Zoners to fire on any ship in Bering (save usual exceptions) for a trial period. However with the effort put in, and being based around pre planned lore, the RP seems there to justify some Zoners getting extreme for a while. For those ardent Zoners, if there is a vote they'll get their say in there, but keep in mind that solving for your disdain of the ZA inrp will be much more interesting and entertaining than shooting it down completely.
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This is an idea that won't last. How do I know? I chaired, for a time, the old Zoner Alliance which acted in good faith much as you are now. It failed. You don't have the slightest clue how to be a Zoner. I've been doing it since day one of this server.
Zoners don't use force to settle disputes. In fact, they fire in defense ONLY and ONLY as the last resort.
Zoners are all over Sirius and even somewhat into Gallia. Each group has it's own problems, its own enemies, all based on where they are and how they work.
You have much to learn but I do wish you luck.
(03-29-2018, 11:13 PM)Doc Holliday Wrote: This is an idea that won't last. How do I know? I chaired, for a time, the old Zoner Alliance which acted in good faith much as you are now. It failed. You don't have the slightest clue how to be a Zoner. I've been doing it since day one of this server.
Zoners don't use force to settle disputes. In fact, they fire in defense ONLY and ONLY as the last resort.
Zoners are all over Sirius and even somewhat into Gallia. Each group has it's own problems, its own enemies, all based on where they are and how they work.
You have much to learn but I do wish you luck.
Our members include multi-year commonwealth zoners, OSI zoners, old Phoenix Zoners, and has nobody with under two years on the server.
What is highly improbable about a well-armed charity providing indiscriminate not-for-profit escort services in NFZs and the Edge Worlds? 'No True Zoner'?
Hi. I think Doc holiday hit it at the core as to why the New ZA really may not work. You are proposing going to war over a base that may or may not have been given over to pirates freely when there is chaos in Omicron Delta concerning Zoner influence around Freeport 11. Perhaps you may want to focus on helping get the Zoner identity on track in your own systems before looking to make a move in Bering. I was the second Neph in the Freeport 11 incident a couple of weeks back. I undocked from FP 11 to make a jump to Omega 49 and next thing I see is a coalition of several hostile IDs in my hud with several green Zoner IDs all right next to Freeport 11. Then from the char (C tag came the message in the clear "Take this message back to your leaders" and they opened fire on the first Neph ignoring the rest of the Zoners. As I saw the Zoners with the Tag [TAZ] do nothing but watch, I went to type "cease fire! you are in the Freeport No Fire Zone." Which I did not finish typing because the first Neph receiving the Hostile fire said "How about a little help" or something to that effect and so I switch it to "assisting friendly" knowing that we where going to lose badly (especially since my weaps load out was specific to NPC Mission Board engagements. Have I had Flaks and had at least 1 of my Heavy Slots with Razor instead of Hurricane missles I might have took out a fighter or 2 in that close quarter engagement) I flew out to engage the Nomad Cap that was maybe 1.5 k from me (which I assumed was with the ones attacking since it was only 1-2k from FP 11 which gave me the 10 second rule I think or maybe it did not for everything went down FAST). The Nomad Cap tried to draw me away from from the other Neph so I disengaged and returned to help the Neph that was being ganked and give him a chance to dock (which he did not take). Towards the nearing of first Nephs destruction the (C- char typed "Explorer21 stand down" which I answered with weapons fire in desperation to aid first Neph ( I was in Explorer21D). I was not about to have other Zoners thinking I will not stand with them if called upon so instead of docking after first Neph was destroyed I stayed until my own destruction, which was quick with that many ships attacking at the same time. right after I respawned I undocked to jump to Omega 49 keeping the 5 min to leave the system rule but I forgot to purchase Jump batts and saw there was no time left so I docked and logged on another char in Bretonia. I did green Pm one of the TAZ in Delta to find out reason for this attack and why TAZ did not assist. He explained his groups position towards everyone and he did not know why the attack on first Neph happened. I expected some arrest/court appearance order to be on Forums by the Governing Council of Zoners or something like that and nothing happened.
I told you all this because this would never had happened if the Zoners had a viable defense force already established in their systems. So far I have been looking for some semblance of order interaction amongst the Zoner groups and nothing. After this incident I thought there needs to be a Zoner Defense Corp [ZDC] or Zoner Defense Milita [ZDM] to maintain and enforce the integrity of the Zoner ID and rules/guide lines as well as be a force all Zoners can rally behind when Freeports, NFZ and Zoner POBs are threatened as well as Zoner transports. And don't tell me the Zoner Guard is there for that because I have not seen nor heard them take up the cause when Zoner POB was threatened in Kepler nor any investigation at Freeport 11 concerning (C tag, Vagrant, Nomad and Outcast attack right next to FP 11. I have a lot of learning to do about RP and Disco before I can pursue making a faction with either of the 2 name and RP goal ideas I came up with so why don't you use them and prove your faction's worth by straightening out the ZOI issues and conduct with the existing Zoner controlled bases and NFZs? What are Zoner IDs doing flying around like buddies with infected and Nomad chars ( it is NOT just TAZ that is doing this)? Why is an Outcast tag member joining infected and Nomads in ganking someone in Omicron Delta when their IDs are enemies ( and don't say it is because they are infected when they did this. The abuse of "oh, I am infected" for ganking situations then return to normal after incident is getting old.)? If you can address these issues and bring the Zoner identity fit for RP then everyone will take you seriously including all those that has razzed you on this thread about your faction Name, RP and interest in Freeport 2. Zoner house is becoming the "joke" ID on this site as far as my 4 months here have seen and the OP of this thread is not seeing beyond his ZA faction in Bering to a more critical Zoner issue abroad. This is my opinion as a Zoner with flight time in the Omicrons.
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(03-30-2018, 03:41 AM)New Zoner Alliance Wrote:
(03-29-2018, 11:13 PM)Doc Holliday Wrote: This is an idea that won't last. How do I know? I chaired, for a time, the old Zoner Alliance which acted in good faith much as you are now. It failed. You don't have the slightest clue how to be a Zoner. I've been doing it since day one of this server.
Zoners don't use force to settle disputes. In fact, they fire in defense ONLY and ONLY as the last resort.
Zoners are all over Sirius and even somewhat into Gallia. Each group has it's own problems, its own enemies, all based on where they are and how they work.
You have much to learn but I do wish you luck.
Our members include multi-year commonwealth zoners, OSI zoners, old Phoenix Zoners, and has nobody with under two years on the server.
What is highly improbable about a well-armed charity providing indiscriminate not-for-profit escort services in NFZs and the Edge Worlds? 'No True Zoner'?
It's taken as improbable by many people because the very idea of being a Zoner and initiating a war to not go together. Zoners are neutral entities, welcoming to (almost) all so long as no one fights. When there are fights Zoners shoo them away, however when an installation in a now remote center-sector system like Bering, it wouldn't be like the Zoners to simple attack a system, especially since the Freeport was more or less abandoned by Zoners, not invaded and it's Zoner masters killed.
It's curious that only within the Zoner movement PVP is heavily discouraged even when it's within an RP permissable context which the server rules do not prohibit. Nor is there any obvious lore violation of a group of zoner escorts, considering the 'Long Range Escort' is a ship in the game, along with a dedicated Zoner Q-ship.
Meanwhile, a large group of zoners tried to get the IFF involved with -fighting Gallia-, which is definitely out of the Zoner MO. We're just here to defend in smaller conflicts against smaller entities.
From the ZA's point of view, it's not an attack, it' a defence.
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(03-30-2018, 03:41 AM)New Zoner Alliance Wrote: Our members include multi-year commonwealth zoners, OSI zoners, old Phoenix Zoners, and has nobody with under two years on the server.
What is highly improbable about a well-armed charity providing indiscriminate not-for-profit escort services in NFZs and the Edge Worlds? 'No True Zoner'?
Escorts for Zoner transports is one thing, getting involved with a conflict with everyone in Delta is quite a different story as is the issue in Bering. Every group in Sirius just loves testing the No Fire Zone and many just don't care. Someone starts a fire fight inside the zone and when a Zoner asset attacks the violator who started it, the next thing that is heard is "Oh, siding with them eh?" Next thing you know, you have another war and another failed peace accord.
This happened in the past with Freeport 9 when the Outcasts would gather there from Alpha and lead an assault into Gamma. Next thing you know, the Corsairs were bombarding the base for supporting the Outcasts
Freeport 1- SCRA, Hessians, Corsairs and then Bretonia wanted stake in the system with Bretonia claiming a base that no one previously wanted. It's a never ending, vicious cycle when groups initiate hostility, get mad at Zoners for enforcing their laws and then make a war out of it. You're just fueling it. So long as the Zoners are gasoline, everyone else will continue playing with matches.
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