Do you want the returne of the Solar System?

[Luka]

I'm still not convinced about whether or not destroying Sol really would've pissed off the DK. The same Nomad Lore that I got the above quote from also talks about the Nomads' physiology and genetic structure. It seems much more complex than that of humanity, leading me to believe that the DK would have no interest in messing with humanity since we're probably "too simple" for them, genetically speaking. However, this is merely my belief and is not confirmed by any factual evidence because almost nothing is known about the DK. Trying to say anything definite about the DK is pretty much impossible at this point since almost nothing is known about them.

Well, it's not just the humans, it's anything they would find here, be it humans, mammals, birds, or things like Hydras and inmortal jellyfishes (they're really inmortal, and listed as really hard to kill in Cracked.com), it makes Earth comparable to Planet Gaia in terms of wildlife.

As I got from the Lore:
The Nomads were specifically created with a high-degree of genetic adaptability. Possessing almost no fundamental genetic structure of their own, the Nomads were able to absorb and decode the genetic structure of other organisms; they were in effect living machines, crawling analysis tools that supervised the many different experiments of the Daam-K'Vosh. In some ways, the Daam-K'Vosh were surprised and even delighted by their creations (if such emotions can be applied to anything so alien), and gifted the Nomads with both increasingly sophisticated intelligence and a larger degree of autonomy.

Nomads were at first some random organism that grabbed the DNA of other organisms, in Earth, some microorganisms have a high adaptability that makes them like that, if DK found them, they would make another race from it, take for example the Hydras, they have a high regeneration rate, you can cut off a tentacle, yet it simply grows another even when there's not factors in their natural medium that make them lose them; in fact, if the DK found that out, they would've been just as delighted as they were with the nomads. Some stuff in Earth is REALLY evolved, some lifeforms are even older then dinosaurs, roaches are (I think).

[Luka]

I personally think the story should keep focus on Sirius.
Bringing sol into the equation also brings in all the events of Starlancer and beyond.
May overcomplicate things, especially for roleplay.

This is just surface thoughts, I dont know the full Igiss vision or how this would
fit with disco in general.

Depends on what's added in the Story, if Sol was blown up, then nothing is needed to be added from Starlancer, if it's captured, then maybe a part of it, if it's still Alliance-coalition war, then yes, but the RP would be Gallia-like.

[Jeremy Hunter]

He just got the Macguffin, that's not gamble that's phlebotinum. And he's not Han Solo, He's a more awesome Ace Pilot One-Man Army that was able to fend of practically a fleet off Rheindlanders, which makes him even more awesome than Han Solo (Star Wars shields suck)
Game wise, you shoot them, RPwise, it had to be Juni. If Trent needs a police patrol to stay alive before FP7, I doubt he would suddenly be an ace in thst ammount of time.
The Order beaten an entire nomad race with just hundreds of people and 2 macguffins, aside from the lots of artifacts in Sirius, either they're ninjas or spartans, or a badass army.
No, we were lucky. The Osiris and the hundred or so people made a diversion that was succesful. Then, count it, Trent, Juni, King, Orillion, Von Claussen, two fighters for Trent, Juni, Orillion, and King, making 14 fighters assaulting Omicron Major, with only 4-5 actually getting close to the city, and Trent barely managed to get the artifact close enough to out-start. The Order lost alot of pilots. Read the Anubis infocard. It says alot of people died due to the Anubis was crappy. The Order was a ragtag group of people from every house who barely won. And um, if we are so badass, then the Nomads should be gone now. Sorry, argument invalid mate.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[Klaw117]

Nomads were at first some random organism that grabbed the DNA of other organisms, in Earth, some microorganisms have a high adaptability that makes them like that, if DK found them, they would make another race from it, take for example the Hydras, they have a high regeneration rate, you can cut off a tentacle, yet it simply grows another even when there's not factors in their natural medium that make them lose them; in fact, if the DK found that out, they would've been just as delighted as they were with the nomads. Some stuff in Earth is REALLY evolved, some lifeforms are even older then dinosaurs, roaches are (I think).

How do you know the DK would be so "delighted?" How do you know that they can't create something just as evolved as the organisms on Earth? No limit of DK technology or creativity is ever stated. Earth is in no way special. There are billions of other habitable planets, many of which would probably have organisms as advanced as the organisms on Earth.

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

[Gemini893]

Wow, I stopped reading everyone's opinions around page 10. I will say that there are people here that don't know nearly as much about astrophysics as they think they do. An exploding star won't harm Earth? REALLY?

I think some are confusing stellar "explosions" with more earthbound explosions of TNT. An exploding star expands first before exploding. There are programs on the History and Science channels that explains this in easy to understand terms. When our sun does "explode" in about 5 million years from now, it will first expand out to roughly the orbit of our planet, burning it to a crisp, before either letting loose the stellar matter or compressing back down to a white dwarf.

Oh, and dwarf stars still have a lot of mass, just in a smaller and more compressed form. They still have considerable gravity wells.

One thing that does not make sense about adding the Sol system is that the game takes place in Sirius, nowhere near our solar system. However, the stellar "explosion" that takes place in the extended intro could rip a wormhole through space/time to the Sirius Sector.

Oh, and to Luka: Igiss made the explosion of Sol to be part of Discovery cannon. Making references to other mods really is moot since they follow a different time line than Discovery does. Your opinions to the contrary really don't matter either since it is part of the Discovery story.

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[Luka]

How do you know the DK would be so "delighted?" How do you know that they can't create something just as evolved as the organisms on Earth? No limit of DK technology or creativity is ever stated. Earth is in no way special. There are billions of other habitable planets, many of which would probably have organisms as advanced as the organisms on Earth.

They were with the nomads, as the lore said, nomads were first some random lifeforms with a definited DNA configuration, and if the lore's right, that would have been really unique for them for them, In Earth some microorganisms (including virus, that I don't even know if they're really alive or zombies or organic robots or whatever) have phisiological characteristics, so if they found it out, Earth would be areally special place for them to have some fun tweaking with creatures, and possibly making an entire different race.

Billions of other planets like Earth? if you take it to the Universal scale, yes, galactic group scale? it would get into millions-thousands, or probably less, Sirius isn't a natural place, it's all been tweaked by DK, so it isn't ISO standard to use it as a scale to see how common are habitable planets, and still, the nearest thing to Earth in Sirius is planet Gaia, which possibly had something to do with the structure in Newcastle.

[Luka]

The Order beaten an entire nomad race with just hundreds of people and 2 macguffins, aside from the lots of artifacts in Sirius, either they're ninjas or spartans, or a badass army.
No, we were lucky. The Osiris and the hundred or so people made a diversion that was succesful. Then, count it, Trent, Juni, King, Orillion, Von Claussen, two fighters for Trent, Juni, Orillion, and King, making 14 fighters assaulting Omicron Major, with only 4-5 actually getting close to the city, and Trent barely managed to get the artifact close enough to out-start. The Order lost alot of pilots. Read the Anubis infocard. It says alot of people died due to the Anubis was crappy. The Order was a ragtag group of people from every house who barely won. And um, if we are so badass, then the Nomads should be gone now. Sorry, argument invalid mate.

If you mean just luck, there's luck involved in EVERYTHING, and in this, it's not luck, It's phlebotinum. and seeing they sent so few people to Major, it could be called really luck, but they would have sent more people if Minor wasn't under siege (which would mean there were just a bit less nomads in Major). They made the Anubis, and judging that they would be in a hush for making them, don't expect a Lighting bruiserish ship, so it was crappy, yet they were able to fight with them right? even in game it's a really strong ship, albeit it's a flying box. And yes, the Order is a Ragtag Bunch of Misfits, not a Badass Army, but I didn't say they were the badass army, I meant that Humans are Warriors, and the Order are humans, so it applied enough for not getting wiped out, and even beating the nomads, i they had more people, say the LN, well nomads would be in REAL trouble, and they took the order as trouble.

The nomads are gone (mostly), your argument is invalid

[Klaw117]

They were with the nomads, as the lore said, nomads were first some random lifeforms with a definited DNA configuration, and if the lore's right, that would have been really unique for them for them, In Earth some microorganisms (including virus, that I don't even know if they're really alive or zombies or organic robots or whatever) have phisiological characteristics, so if they found it out, Earth would be areally special place for them to have some fun tweaking with creatures, and possibly making an entire different race.

Billions of other planets like Earth? if you take it to the Universal scale, yes, galactic group scale? it would get into millions-thousands, or probably less, Sirius isn't a natural place, it's all been tweaked by DK, so it isn't ISO standard to use it as a scale to see how common are habitable planets, and still, the nearest thing to Earth in Sirius is planet Gaia, which possibly had something to do with the structure in Newcastle.

I don't really see how this proves that the DK would be interested in Earth. You say that Terran organisms have physiological characteristics. You mean to say that the Nomads don't have this either? They do, there's a whole section devoted to it in the player-written Nomad Lore. If the DK can create something with physiological characteristics, why would they be interested in the physiology of Terran organisms?

I also don't see how your second paragraph argues that Earth is special. Also, the DK had an empire spanning about 3 or 4 galaxies (you can see this in the projection of the artifact map in the SP campaign), so the number of habitable planets may well have been in the billions range, but I'm not sure. My main point is that there are many habitable planets. I don't see how you're arguing that Earth is unique.

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!

[Luka]

I don't really see how this proves that the DK would be interested in Earth. You say that Terran organisms have physiological characteristics. You mean to say that the Nomads don't have this either? They do, there's a whole section devoted to it in the player-written Nomad Lore. If the DK can create something with physiological characteristics, why would they be interested in the physiology of Terran organisms?

What I mean is that some Terran Organisms have the phisiological characteristics of the thing DK made nomads from, evey life form has phisiological characteristics lol.

I also don't see how your second paragraph argues that Earth is special. Also, the DK had an empire spanning about 3 or 4 galaxies (you can see this in the projection of the artifact map in the SP campaign), so the number of habitable planets may well have been in the billions range, but I'm not sure. My main point is that there are many habitable planets. I don't see how you're arguing that Earth is unique.

I haven't been able to see clearly that map, it was a dot spam, but when they got to Sirius, they found an organism tha got their attention because it was able to adapt the DNA of other organisms as their own, Virus in Earth can do it too, although if they're really alive is debatable, so if DK found Earth, they would be finding the stuff to make another species just like with the nomads, so even if they had some other planets like Earth, they would be astonished if they were so when they found the pre-nomad in Sirius.

[Klaw117]

I haven't been able to see clearly that map, it was a dot spam, but when they got to Sirius, they found an organism tha got their attention because it was able to adapt the DNA of other organisms as their own, Virus in Earth can do it too, although if they're really alive is debatable, so if DK found Earth, they would be finding the stuff to make another species just like with the nomads, so even if they had some other planets like Earth, they would be astonished if they were so when they found the pre-nomad in Sirius.

They didn't find the Nomads, they created them. They can create almost anything they want. No limit is ever given on their creative technology. Why would they want to find viruses on Earth when they can just create them? A Nomad is significantly more complex than a virus.

This next part is just a little fun fact for you since you're not sure if viruses are alive or not. Back in biology, I learned that there were six things that defined a living organism and viruses only have five of these things. The one thing they couldn't do was reproduce (on their own at least). Living organisms need to be able to reproduce asexually or sexually with a member of their own species. A virus can't do these things.

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Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams
Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction
Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid
Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space
Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits

Liberty and Nomad Backstory, Very interesting - read it!