A dead idea

[Dab]

You know, I actually agree with Dab here:mellow:.

Take away all Debilitators! (joke)

No, just limit them to those who have an actual right to them.. Hell, Outcasts have the Inferno, we do NOT need Imp Debs.. GC don't need them to drop Chimaera shields. 5 Disinfector 3s or Suncannon Ds and a single Codename (or 6 L9s) can do it easily. Plus, we can get Outcast Infernos due to our alliance. BD are in the same situation as GC. KNF don't need it if GC/BD don't use it (one reason why I'm trying to get the Kusari pirates not to use them, so that KNF don't, and then we will all be on the same level).

The ONLY people using Debs should be the Liberty Lawfuls, Xenos, Lane Hackers, and Rogues (Rogues get from LH, LH build their own. Ageira builds for Liberty, and Xenos raid Detroit in FL-RP). The Corsairs should use their tizzies, but no one else should be. The Corsairs aren't THAT closely allied to anyone to share that. They have alliances of convenience. For example, their alliance with the Gaians isn't as strong as the alliance between the OC and GC. GC are addicted to Cardimine, therefor get it from them, and have to. Gaians and Corsairs are only allied for stronger numbers against BAF.

And okay, I've gone off topic a bit.. My point is.. Limit shield-busters to few enough people that it doesn't ruin pvp throughout the game. That or increase the Graviton shield's resistance to high enough to render shield busters worse at hurting it than a normal non-pulse gun.

EDIT: @Jinx, considering the situation and perpetual war between the Outcasts and Corsairs, the OC being able to make a high-powered version of their pulse weapon isn't unthinkable.. They are technologically equal, and seeing the Corsairs with pulse technology would get the Outcasts to push their scientists for similar weapons, or some type of a counter. That doesn't mean everyone would. Outcasts only would because of that state of war, and the fact that the Outcasts and Corsairs are the top of Sirius' military technology ladder.
But I agree completely with the RP-related problems with this.. Discovery IS going around giving everyone their own ships, weapons, everything. We have a Gaian gunboat coming? Since when did the Gaians have the resources, or even the capabilities of inventing, let alone building those ships? The Red Hessiens got their own fighter line, along with a bomber, which is sketchy at best.. They don't have very good technology of their own.. They get what they can from the Outcasts in terms of ships. People have the idea that everyone should be unique.. There are reasons why some pirates use Civilian, and some use Borderworld ships. They don't have the ability to create or build their own.
Same with weaponry. Each has its own L9 guns. Thats FINE. But what we don't need is a specialized shield-buster. Heck, I don't even think we needed specialized supernovas. Have a Supernova and some lawful variant. Unlawfuls have their kind, lawfuls have theirs, that was plenty. This entire problem was made with the level 9 version of the Adv. Deb came out.. Since then it has only caused problems, doubtful RP excuses, and now a call for factionized busters.. If I had the choice, I'd remove all the Imp Debs. Change it to 2 hull, 1 shield damage and pop it on the Lost Battlestar. Outcasts have the inferno to counter the Corsair's Tizonas and Coladas. Outcasts do NOT need Imp Debs in ANY way. Neither does anyone need them.. Lets put RP back into the pvp, or we might as well be a pvp server, as its outweighs the RP by insane amounts.

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[I_m_rdy]

So you DO mean anyone who initially doesn't have access to Debs are PvP whores? Sounds okay with me. I dropped the idea as reading through the thread, because this could end in a flame-fest too easy. Let's keep everyone to their own opinions and not force others to think the same.

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[Dab]

So you DO mean anyone who initially doesn't have access to Debs are PvP whores? Sounds okay with me. I dropped the idea as reading through the thread, because this could end in a flame-fest too easy. Let's keep everyone to their own opinions and not force others to think the same.

No one is forcing others to think the same way.. Its called opinions, or should we all walk around saying the same thing and agreeing with each other?

And I never said they were pvp whores. I AM saying that this server is going from an RP server to more of a PvP server. Most people seem to think all RP has to involve combat at some point. It doesn't. Most seem to think that because they have the ability to RP their way to the Imp Debs, that they should and that it is okay. Its not. They should be restricted. Because people use them now, they are pvp whores? No. Many people use them because they have enemies who use them. Its a domino effect, and I simply think its time we pick up the dominoes and toss them in the trash. Leaving the 'Corsair' and 'Liberty' dominoes, if you will. (Not counting OC Inferno, as I view it as a different category of weapon altogether, due to it being a torp and working in a different way.. I see it as an anti-cap weap.)

And no, I'm not flaming anyone..

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[Lancelot9]

Meh. Others can have their own shieldbusters if they want to. I like the idea of having each weapon named after a legendary sword (following on from Tizona Del Cid);

• Gram. Sword of Siegfried in Norse myths. (aka. Balmung, Nothung). Assoceated with Rheinland.
  
• Hrunting. Sword given to Beowulf. (epic associated with Scandinavian and English national identity). Bretonia of Rheinland.
  
• Caliburn/Caledflwch. Sword of King Arthur (Excalibur alternative). Bretonia.
  
• Arondight. Sword of Lancelot. Bretonia.
  
• Kusanagi. "legendary Japanese sword as important to Japan's history as Excalibur is to Britain's". Kusari.
  

No ideas about Liberty though; the USA is a bit short of unique legends.

Where is my blasted sword?

Edit: Dear me, see below.

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[Bobthemanofsteel]

In the name of all things holy, this is a two year gravedig.
Poor form!

[dodike]

- the whole debilitators are crap ( from a RP point of view ) - we took whats unique for the corsairs and gave it to everyone. - extreme balancing.... .

Debilitators are advanced Stunpulses so shieldbusters weren't unique for the Corsairs.
Sorry for pointing this out with 2 years delay.

[Sprolf]

Gravedig bad.

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[Bear]

Do not grave dig. It can cause very bad side effects.

Bear

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