Newbie LSF / intelligence Factions Question

[Leppy]

*Snip*

So basically, you're admitting that you decided to randomly troll and harass a player for perfectly legitimate actions (Navy escorting a trader who had been recently attacked by pirates)?

1. As Doria said, FR2 has no bearing on this encounter
2. This seems like a clear case of someone thinking that their Official status grants them the ability to mess with indies for lols...

[Fluffyball]

In the end it was kinda clear to me that LSF is a kinda overmighty faction which can boss the others around.

No, they can´t inRPly as well as ooRPly. They can boss only LSF indies and only =LSF= leader and 2iC are allowed to do that. They are not superiors of LN.

From my experience and knowledge, official factions cannot boss indie factions and players of same IFF as well. They are clearly independent from what official faction is doing.

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[Laura C.]

In the end it was kinda clear to me that LSF is a kinda overmighty faction which can boss the others around.

No, they can´t inRPly as well as ooRPly. They can boss only LSF indies and only =LSF= leader and 2iC are allowed to do that. They are not superiors of LN.

From my experience and knowledge, official factions cannot boss indie factions and players of same IFF as well. They are clearly independent from what official faction is doing.

Then read the official faction rights again.

Faction Right 2. Official player factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction, however, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and second in command(s) of the faction. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances). Official player factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to. In case of IDs with multiple official factions, this right is nullified and cannot be used by any of the factions.

So technically leader and 2iC have that authority. Of course they should use it very rarely and wisely in my opinion.

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[Fluffyball]

Ah, if leader and 2ic, I agree on that. Aside of that, other official faction players cannot boss indies around and indies don't need to follow.

This is what I was told some time ago by an admin (or Angel, can't recall), as I asked on why some people want to stay indies. This is interesting however, because that statement conflicts with the given FR2.

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[Strike2569]

Simply put LSF and LN have this argument all the time. Its actual comen and with a bit of research youll find this is an In game mechanic.

Each claim they are representative as the van guard for Liberty. This is both and NPC and Faction problematic. The truth is they don't cross channels but LSF has divisions and it can cross over to LN priority's. Even ally with unlawful factions.

LSF could escort a pirate if they so wished. ( HOPEFULLY ) with an Immense Rp reason. If Im not mistaken it even says on the Id, may ally with unlawful factions. Good RP reasons are these agents are in need of info and informants. Or simply fund Unlawful s to do some real dirty work of behalf of top secret LSF affairs. A big part of The LSF is intel. At bars those job postings that give a rating is LSF Intel.

Best way to describe it is Both are different factions and shouldn't cross lines. The LN would be the muscle and direct action when needed. LSF is Agents and ( Economic hit-man and Jackals). And can carry out sabotage against non allied areas and systems. This is a generalization as LSF has different department heads TACOPS ect...

Just in general LSF and LN both think they are the vanguard. And if you read up on them both you'll find it to be true. And This often causes conflict that well, makes sense.

To make sense of it. LN dose not have the right to question LSF on their individual operations as they would be deemed classified from a department that is equal and Intelligence. And LSF isn't needed to interact with LN priority's in general. They do have channels to bring it up With Department heads and Presidents however. As I understand it they are open channels.