(10-21-2016, 11:35 PM)Stygian Wrote: TL;DR, My type of fun is more important than yours.
Sorry for such a short reply but that is all these types of rants boil down to. Really, PvP is a type of roleplay.
You are right and ultimately, RP is nothing more than a means to an end, that end being PVP. That is not really what I'm complaining about though as I completely accept this portion of the game.
I do understand that my point might have been dilluted in this big a wall of text so I'll make things short.
What doesn't sit right with me is how little RP is needed in a server advertising itself to be a RP server.
Case in point: here. This is pretty much the PoB equivalent of "2milordai", is that really acceptable? I wouldn't even care if he made good RP and a lenghty RP about the attack with good incentives. What doesn't sit right with me is that it's quite literally two lines. TWO LINES. With a spelling mistake no less and that this is currently the norm for PoB attacks which in a perfect world would be a haven for awesome RP but instead PoBs are simply used as free extortion or to appease the PVP masses.
(10-21-2016, 11:52 PM)Antonio Wrote: Yes, and the POB owners are aware of that. They accept that all their hard work can be gone in a day the second they deployed that POB. If it was the other way around, where they were told the base is indestructible only to later find out they'll lose a base after they made it, then it'd make sense to complain. It's ludicrous how 99% of the POB owners act when their POB comes under the spotlight, when they themselves are the only people to blame. Not the community, not the admins, not the devs.
(10-21-2016, 11:55 PM)Sanctions Wrote: Toxic post inc.
Carry the responsibility for your actions. Going for a tamagochi toy knows as "PoB"? Expect the consequences, diplomacy and connections are your best friends in that case.
You realise the absence of peeveepee skills? Well, then either go train hard as heck or avoid any interactions by being neutral (even ID-wise).
Stronger ones will always abuse their powers, no one's going to babysit you, kind of like it is IRL. Some players are here solely for PvP and you can't do anything about that but cry, it was purely a PvP game after all while RP which came with this mod was an addition allowing the further logical development of the whole thing.
It's just every year that someone like you come here and whine about how harsh local environments are and how badly things need to be changed. And thankfully there are still vets around that won't let this thing turn utter craps because of newbies who couldn't handle some aspects (btw a good portion of players stay useless even after being here for years). Some implementations have already influenced the gameplay in a bad way, can't go any further.
Nothing personal, but power is an achievement.
My concern does not sit with the consequences of having a PoB and me being salty about a PoB getting destroyed. I don't know Kruger and quite frankly, I don't care if the base gets blown sky high. What doesn't sit right with me is as I said before, the absolutely weak and disgusting RP backing it up.
Also the fact that said RP is so common that the community and even admins have apparently grown complacent to it and that 2 lines are acceptable.
Additionally, there's really no arguing that the rules are outdated. The rules works fine for skirmishes but they simply are not made for sieges and no additional rules has been made for sieges. As I said, in a 10v15 Siege scenario, if the side that are 10 dies and they have to log out because of PVP Death, the side that are 15 are free to log all their PVP dead members back in as if nothing happened and continue the siege with full force while the side with the 10 players have to sit out the 2 hours. So the smaller force has to sit out the whole 2 hours but the bigger force doesn't have to.
It's a weird and really unbalanced loophole in the rule that is freely abused. Also, death by weapons platform does not count as PVP Death even if it's a player-owned base so there's also no repercussion to dying to those.
I just think there should be a reform, better rules for sieges and enforcing RP Rules a bit more. If the server has now become a PVP server with RP on the side, it should be advertised as such, not the other way.
To make things short, the problem isn't the destruction of the PoB itself. It's the god awful 2 lines RP that we've all grown complacent too because it's been ALL too common in all aspects of RP on the server.
(10-22-2016, 02:02 AM)Auzari Wrote: Red Hessians are enemies of Kruger. They're the miners that they're rebelling against. Kruger. Who are a mining corp. They're also against DHC.
Then make an RP as such. Make me FEEL that a faction actually fights for something. Make me BELIEVE your roleplay, your story, the ideals of the faction. As it is now, I don't believe any of that, all it is is a faction using itsef as an excuse for some blues.
And you think I don't know that? But they never RPed around it in regards that base it was just pure Pay or dai, like every generioc Pirate. They are supposed to be Revolution, not Pirating warmongers.
(10-22-2016, 02:47 AM)Trivjum Wrote: To make things short, the problem isn't the destruction of the PoB itself. It's the god awful 2 lines RP that we've all grown complacent too because it's been ALL too common in all aspects of RP on the server.
I think you took a wrong turn. Here, just for you. You're welcome, friend.
Not trying to offend you here but I'd just like to keep this thread for constructive criticism and to hopefully make things happen to get the server at least going in the right direction. If I didn't know better, the server gives me the impression that it's utterly abandonned by the admins. Emphasis on "impression" but I don't think it should be like that.
(10-22-2016, 03:06 AM)Redeemer Wrote: Seriously? I think the real problem is the destruction of the POB itself.
In this context, I also think it's a problem, just because of the weak and awful RP backing it up. Under better circumstances, the destruction of the PoB wouldn't bother me one bit though. This thread isn't for just the RHA attack on Reutlingen though. It just happens to be the most recent case of something that is blatantly wrong, yet ignored.
As a rust and ark player making bases posting defenses and investing a lot of time in holding territory from every sort of smacktard on the internet I can empathize with your loss.
But pobs need to die. before they existed discovery was a golden city of light where everyone loved one another and there were no sins or corruption.
But your here now and your going to have to learnt he biggest factor thats going to keep you here is friends and connections. For better or worse if your on your own. the community will seem to be stacked against you merely on the cause you dont know anyone or have any ties with groups. beyond were youve started persay. It would be a better idea not to invest your time in large projects designed for groups of people. I know you dont need friends to build a pob but its the most ideal to have more then one pair of hands. no amount of rule rattling or changing is going to fix it. this place is he way it is because of mellenials and thier crappy pcs and the other half who are too miserable to leave.
you have a hard decision to make. and spit or swallow youll learn this game soon enough.
Make PoBs invulnerable to player damage. Oh, and also turn off PvP in server settings. Then all bad people would leave Discovery and all good people would build Kingdom of Heaven here.
@Zayne Carrick That wasn't funny. He just pointed that out.
If you want to be sarcastic/memeing, go to Flood, okay?
@Sanctions You just demonstrated your vitriolic and unfriendly attitude.
I expected something else from a respected member such as yourself.
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Back to the main subject:
- This community isn't friendly at all as of now, that is pure truth.
This is a reason of new players leaving, or not even coming. How can we ask players to join this Community if we have such player attitudes, hm?
We want new players to come to Disco? Yes, we do.
Let's start to make a healthy environment by refraining from such attitudes on the forums.
Be vitriolic on Skype, if you wish. But not on the forums.
- I won't express myself on the POB issue as it has already been debated enough.
However, I agree that POB sieges should have their ruleset.
Or be treated as mini-events with specific rules.
- This I want to say once and for all, so print it in your heads: This is a roleplay server. If you want to roleplay, do it right. While it is true that RP leads to PvP, it's not always. I do RP without the need for PvP. If I want some blues, I go to Connecticut.
We all need to offer a good RP experience to other players, always!
Always, ALWAYS remember this statement!
