It is hard to define where 'normal' and 'abnormal' RP stands. Everyone is diffrent, and everyone's RP is diffrent. RP boundaries can't really be defined, as RP is the idea of an individual, and does not adhere to schematic thinking.
Infact, I'd think most of my characters are quite a bit diffrent in a way.
Ironwatsas is an ex-mercenary turned Cybernetic mad scientist who seeks to conquer the Sirius sector with his homemade Cyborg/Robot army on behalf of the 'benefactors' that rebuilt him.
CobaltWatsas is an 'Old West' cowboy in space, who scraps things, and currently has no idea about Watsas or his plans.
Iazyne_Aezali is a flirtatious, Synth-Pot addicted, Nomad infested woman posing as a Xenoarchaeoligist to gather up stuff on behalf of Die Wilden.
LWB|Udo.Ackermann; well, anyone who's RPed extensively with him knows he's not your average terrorist. As he is paranoid, scared, confused, womanising with friend and foe alike, has no idea he is considered a terrorist or enemy of the state, etc
The crew of the Athanauthe are slaves to Watsas, and are prone to arguing amongst themselves and disagreeing with one another in a public fasion.
[GC]-Naomi.Ichiyusai is somewhat warped from Cardamine use, and often tries to seduce normally hostile entities (and allies) into some form of ambush or back to Ironwatsas to be recycled. Not to mention constantly propagandizing the public and her general contempt for the Outcasts.
Poor Juan.Maldonato is more standard fare. A lonely Corsair who seeks to prove himself, and at the same time accumulate as much money, power, and more importantly, Senoritas as fast as possible.
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Thing is, putting limits on RP is somewhat futile, as it cannot be defined in any real fasion. Heck, someone can RP being some sort of godlike superbeing in a Starflier (skye) and if they do so in a manner that dosen't create errors or conflicts with others' RP, then what reason do we have to shoot said RP down and dismiss it?
Even if an RP is way out there, as long as it is well done, we can have jedi masters flying in battlestars and Battlestar Galactica come to sirius. As much as I disagree with direct imports from other SciFi universes, the =CR= from an RP perspective managed to integrate well enough. I won't deny them their RP.
Though, if someone just wants to make some kind of ultimate superbeing for the express purposes of PvP whoring or with a poorly concived and written backstory, or something that violates server rules, then that creates problems. (Though, Mon'Star may be an example of something close to this being done within the bounds of RP plausibility)
Thing is, characters need to be able to interact with others. Though that may be terrorising them, pirating them, romancing with them, trying to assimilate them into a Cybernetic army, or just striking up a friendly conversation. Within the practical limitations of the game engine, anything applies. So long as the RP is well thought out and implemented, we as players have little reason to deny it simply out of the consideration that it is 'unbefitting RP'.
I overall see your point and agree with it also. You ahve to keep some basic concept, limited by story and mechanics of the game, but the rest id up to your own fantasy. The fact that some people can't accept ideas of anyone other, and have the need to put the down, kill them and flame them... that, indeed, is wrong.
But just to the Corsair you spoke about, as an Outcast, I would never let Corsair to dock on Malta, not even speaking about joining Outcasts. In my RP, for example, you are born as Outcast, you cannot join them, and such my character tends to disrespect people who are not born on Malta, just catching up with Outcasts. Altough i would not shoot him, just send him awaqy, totally in RP. But That is, again, just about fantasy, and I surely wont tell anyone that his fantasy is bad and mine good.
(my Outcasts is one of those who tells that cardamine was a gift which has made, over the genaration, new race, above normal humans, from Outcasts, tha's why he disrespects people who are not on Malta for genarations.
I buy things I don't want to make an impression on people I don't like.
To post #1 , i definatly agree with you, it's ok to have limitation's that go with the actual game and make sense thats understandable, but trying to make everybody RP one way and not allow minds to wander is not cool, Roleoplay is all about freedom, the freedom to dream a character and really make whatever you story you want, its not about been heavily restricted to basically becomming a talking npc that scan's cargo all day
Frankly, alot of people just cant accept decent or wild imaginative RP because there afraid they'll get bbqowned by it in the game, so they try to restrict everybody
A bit of example. Let's reverse time back to July/August 2007: "can't play nomads, it's not allowed here" - "you can and I'll show you how"
Yes, things can be archived, but don't expect them to happen over a night, that's what many tend to miss and want their ideas be accepted straight off the hook. Naturally it doesn't work that way. The vaguer the idea is the harder it would be to conceptualize and implement it in a solid form. It may also change several times while at it. In a way it works like in banks where you need to show them you are credible person without problems with the law. Roleplay is amorphic substance, it doesn't really have the form as it always changes, yet it has boundaries, i.e. the basis it works on, so it cannot stretch forever or go far beyond the mass it has already. Exceptions may happen even to basis but they are not common. Mod your car but car it will stay nonetheless.
"I think Freelancer is a very addictive game." - Jorg Neumann
This is a rather complex topic, and all RP needs to be workable all the way around.
For example, with the Corsair-to-Outcast idea. I see no problem with someone wanting to do so, but I could also easily envision an Outcast shooting down said ship because they thought it was some sort of infiltrator. Shooting down because "//u cannot rp that." mainly just seems like fail.
The only real limitation I think should be is whether or not something is consistent with current lore. For instance, it's accepted that nomads behave a certain way, so someone showing up, acting the exact opposite, and claiming it's the way to do things does not seem consistent. Another thought is that my AFA character and Bacon's AFA character seem to think quite differently, but neither are inconsistent with the current lore.
The other issue is when people have thinly veiled RP ideas solely to use certain equipment for PvP type interactions. It may not be entirely inconsistent, but it can really mess with balance. If the RP is sound, that's the sort of reason for the special requests section. For instance, Zapp's Wesley has a bizarre combination of ship and guns, but an even more bizarre RP background.
So, really, I think the only limitation should be the boundary of the current lore. At the same time, there will always be people pushing the envelope, and in the end, one's pushing may negatively affect the other's.
' Wrote:Special role plays get accepted as much as terrorist id's do.
0.000001% of the time.
That is super inaccurate.
Now, where was I?
Oh, right. This is something I've spent some time mulling over these last few weeks, wondering why it is that we've invented an entirely new way to employ the term "RP" here in discovery.
My first little break into arpee was back in the (and I'm by no means the RP whore that some here are, I simply get by without being a prat, my forum postings in that section number in the 20s) day was on Ultima Online, wherin no one -ever- found themselves saying that group Zeta was a bunch of oorping asshats who were out to ruin everyone else's good times, unless of course they were from the groups that were not into RP at all, as it was a public server.
But here we have something we don't have there: Ships.
In UO we were the sum of our characters and the flag we were waving. Every kind of weapon was available to all, every spell, every skill. There was no taiidan bomber, there was no kusari destroyer. We all had access to the same kit and if you ran around with a quarter staff and no helmet that's on you. So we could focus on beating the snot out of one another and pontificating on why suddenly all of the newjoins were all half elves with multi-colored hair who were secretly omnipotent.
Here on Disco I've observed that most of the problems people have with each other boils down to ships employed. Origins are spun up to give group B advantages over group C that are questionable at best and spark bad feelings, which in turn comes down to an attack on that groups "RP".
This is an occurrence that I find doubly depressing within an RP server, chiefly on the grounds that we're reviewed first for what ship we're in, then secondly for what equipment we have mounted, then third for our ID and rarely for our character. Possibly because our "characters" seem to rarely be stressed in the discovery server for the fact that we're chiefly staring at our spaceship and the ease with which new characters are formed.
To bring up the UO reference again, it took weeks upon weeks to actually "build" a character worth a good gosh darn. As such you tended to invest a certain amount of personal sweat into the molding of this fellow to suit a particular model with which to interact, on Discovery it's as simple as a 30 million credit transfer. I could be off the mark, but I believe such stands as a reason why we've so many "characters" running around without a great deal of character between them.
As mentioned earlier, I'm not a very strong role player. I employ common sense and much of whatever simply springs to mind and get by. There's not much in the way of a filter there. But I can't help but feel that's the standard for most, without much of a means of acquiring experience nor incentive for doing so which can eventually mold your precious fellow into something new. Which is why we've a server full of persons who feel like carbon copies of one another, the smartass rogue spamming local with hate against the navy or the spam fatigued cop rushing through each encounter because every minute he "wastes" debating your cardamine hold means another spamming rogue gunboat has just logged on, usually resulting in fast paced unsatisfying fights/encounters.
A humble observation written in hasty fashion, take it or leave it.
Quote:But just to the Corsair you spoke about, as an Outcast, I would never let Corsair to dock on Malta, not even speaking about joining Outcasts. In my RP, for example, you are born as Outcast, you cannot join them, and such my character tends to disrespect people who are not born on Malta, just catching up with Outcasts. Altough i would not shoot him, just send him awaqy, totally in RP. But That is, again, just about fantasy, and I surely wont tell anyone that his fantasy is bad and mine good.
(my Outcasts is one of those who tells that cardamine was a gift which has made, over the genaration, new race, above normal humans, from Outcasts, tha's why he disrespects people who are not on Malta for genarations.
That is a perfect example. Person 1 in this case is a Corsair trying to defect to the Outcasts, Person 2 is an Outcast with a sense of pride (and superiority) who does not want this.
RP dialogue ensues, both characters advance their storylines either through combat or acceptance of one another, and that is what the server is all about. But this is all within the bounds of the respective characters' RP. However, someone telling said Corsair "He can't RP like that" is not just wrong, but just plain selfish and unsportsmanly.
However, Limiting one's self within some boundaries of RP is both important and enriching to said character's storyline. Take Ironwatsas for example. While he has sucessfully begun construction of a sizable military-industrial complex (in the form of the Consortium, which already has a number of faction members), Watsas himself is still a slave to the people that engineered him into a Robot, and makes himself appear to follow their orders, but secretly has his own agenda, and if he is to persue it, he would have to utterly seperate himself from his 'benefactors' thus cutting the Consortium off from possibly their only chance of subduing Sirius.
Not to mention that most of the population dislikes Robots, AIs, and Cyborgs quite a bit. Specifically, the GC, whom Watsas has affection for, and a desire to protect. However, most of the GC don't genuinely like him (as far as I know) because he is a megalomaniacal Robot and a percived threat to them. Though, that open the RP oppurtunity of Watsas cloning his human body, but losing his advantages of being a Robot, but at the same time freeing himself from his masters' direct control and possibly gaining more favor with the GC.
At the end of the day, most of my characters' ships and weapons ingame are secondary to the characters' themselves backstory. Infact, only a few are really capable of PvP, and I as a player am not all that good at fighting other ships of comprable capability. What I am really here for is the rich and diverse universe and interacting storylines that I can become part of.
The Consortium as a faction adheres to this principal. Though we may have sizable military forces in RP, we're very distinguishing about what we attack and how. Ultimately, the point of the faction is to add another storyline, this time of a SciFi military-industrial complex with a bit of 'Mad Scientist' themes and Cyberpunk undertones. As well, this gets synergy effects from our interactions with factions like the GC, NovaPG, KNF, AFA, Hogosha, Cryer, {SU}, and to some extent the Order, Corsairs, and Wilde.
In RP, our goals are to conquer Sirius outright, out of RP, our goals are to give a lot of people something diffrent to RP with, trying to learn our motives or find a way to stop us, while those factions we are allied with have to contend with the moral dillema of supporting such a secritive and ultimately dangerous faction.
Such is an example of non-standard RP for an entire faction as opposed to an individual.
Well what can i say... Not eweryone can understand this server rp.Just like me...
Things like not in rp, you cant because of rp, thats not rp wery ofen comes to me in a way while doing somthing... But should it be like that? This server is availible for players from all over the world. It cant be that eweryone is wiling to obey to things that were created here thrue time. And it is wery hard to create somthig new...
It usualy ends with" NO you are yelow we have green its allmoust the same. Find somthing red but still looking green then its fine". Not eweryone can do that but everyone want to be who they realy are. Adding something interesting. Something that they can do best.
If i want to be "Batman in a flying box" it should be alowed if it stay in this server rools. But somehow it isnt. Because someone likes it the way it is.
sorry its random but good lord sindroms that avatar is both hilarious and a seizure waiting to happen
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[5:57:11 PM] InfernalTater (Lewis) [Formerly TLI-Inferno]:meanwhile, Aces 'I don't always miss my destinations, but when I do, I'm on the other side of house space.'
When I had my religious fanatic outcast nomad worshipping falcata, and lead a raid against new york with a fleet of outcast ships and nomad LF's... then subsequently 'bombed' manhattan's cities with inferno shots.
I had a lot of people angry at me for that kind of powerplay =P It was fun, but the kind of fun that is very short-lived and gets boring when you realize you're not really doing anything interesting, just more gun blazing.
I soon after deleted that character and went back to my generally less-aggressive RP of research, exploration, and political dealings.
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