About how the Red Hessians would choose during this conflict is heavily dependent on the faction leader of RHA (Which I think is the only existing official Red Hessian Faction - Please correct me if I'm wrong on that one.)
Which means - Blodo has alot of input in this matter.
So regarding the Red Hessians and their actions must be asked from Blodo.
And it's this what I like about factions in general, that they have the power to mold the roleplay. (But lets not turn this into a faction discussion, just a quick statement.)
Tough question Sina. There are multiple things to consider in this that make this a sticky wicket. I'd like to see what Blodo or any other hard-core hessians think of this as well.
@Fletcher. We don't pirate...can't pirate...never will. Our ID (will) forbid it, and it's the doctrine of the SCRA to not harm civilians, as that's really who we're fighting for. Wouldn't do us any good to attack those we fight for. SCRA makes their own materiel anyway, we're bigger than you think.
I tend to agree with Drake that the Hessians would have a wholly vested interest, but then again, "the enemy of my enemy is my ally?" Maybe, maybe not. Lets look at a couple scenarios with just the two houses fighting and how it MIGHT affect Hessians and SCRA.
I'd like to see this war with a little more movement than the Bret-Kusari war, but that's not up to me either. anyway...
Scenario1: Liberty starts to gain the upper hand. The LN pushes through Texas, threw both Hudson and Bering, and are flying regular patrols into Hamburg around both Jumpgates. Rheinland, still not quite built up from the 80 years war, is reeling, and calls upon it's reserves in Dresden and Stuttgart to move to Hamburg and protect New Berlin (perhaps the Battleships move to new locations).
This gives rise to an advantage for the Hessians in both Dresden and Stuttgart. Not so important in Stuttgart, but for the Dresden mining operations, it's crucial. Vogtland is now a huge power in that region without the Altenburg (or whatever it is), and make their presence felt economically. Diamond trade money is now being funnelled into the Hessian syndicate instead of the Rheinland corporations, thus depriving the Rheinland government of capital needed to fund the war effort...downward spiral.
The SCRA, who are already on the Hessian side of the Corsair-RHA war, start to see the Hessian's rise, and the two push the Corsairs out of O41, splitting Cadiz from the main Corsair fleet in Gamma. With SCRA patrolling O5 and harrying Cadiz, the Hessians are then free to move on Gamma.
Bad things happen to Corsairs, Good things happen to Hessians. SCRA, if Cadiz falls, has one less enemy at their doorsteps.
Scenario2: Rheinland, with it's superior equipment, if not numbers, halts the libertonian advance in the Borderworlds, where gruelling trench warfare (or the Freelancer equivalent) takes place. While not being up to strength immediately, the Rheinland war production, with it's plethora of raw materials, kicks into high gear. Ships roll off the assembly lines, and with the GottKanzler ordering able-bodied men to the armed forces, bodies will be able to fill those ships.
Liberty is pushed out of the Borderworlds, and Texas sees battles outside of Houston. SCRA sees that the Gottkanzler has the upper hand, and worries that a powerful fascist government near their space, and a powerful military at that, would oppress the people. SCRA begins a campaign in Rheinland to encite the people to revolt. This could go two ways.
Those in practical slavery to the war effort see this as their chance (Unioners mostly, possibly bundshuh) and join the cause, helping massive amounts of people flock to the Unioner / SCRA side. A slowdown in the war machine means a standstill outside the gates of Texas.
OR, The people of Rheinland, in the euphoria of a winning conflict, repel the thoughts of the SCRA and redouble their efforts to not only win the Libertonian war, but fight the plagues at home. Unioners, LWB, Bundshuh, and RHA are all targetted by the now ready RM reservists, and all four groups, and the SCRA, are sent reeling back to the Omegas.
Now these two scenarios aren't the only outcomes of the war, by any means. These are but two possibilities.
The SCRA would be more concerned about Rheinland becoming a stronger power than Liberty I believe as RM has a stranglehold over the population, where Libertonians are granted a modicum of freedom. However, if Liberty started winning the war, SCRA could become embroiled in a war with Liberty to keep them out of their ally's area as well.
Well I did not read the whole thread, just the original OP, IMHO communists may hate the captatlist Libertonians but not at the expense of siding with facists (which is the RM RP)
Interesting scenarios, Chris, it seems that the SCRA might be an important factor for the outcome of this future war. However, regarding the Red Hessians and Blodo, I did mention it but I might have posted just before you, hehe.
Since this thread has been posted, and I really don't give a damn about what happens on Discovery anymore, I think that it's about time that I speak my mind about the SCRA.
I am completely against the fact that the SCRA should aid the Hessians.
Currently, it's a marriage of convenience. I do not even think that its a marriage of ideology. Yes, they might represent the groups of workers that were oppressed by the rich for profit, but the fact of the matter is, they are of the Alliance.
Personally, I've no clue how we became allied with the Hessians in the first place. Forgive me for sinking your RP ship, but these guys are Germanic. In the war many years ago, it was not just a war of ideology, but a war of clashing nationalisms.
Sorry, but I do not see this working whatsoever.
Quote:[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<
Quote:Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?
I think it would be interesting in RP seeing SCRA siding with the Hessians. It would make sense, since Hessians are kind of socialistic-type of workers... But I don't think Corsairs will welcome this one... But then again, I like the whole idea... Make more details about it.
@ elgatodiablo
But you do know whole commie/socialistic thing started in Germany, do you?
<span style="font-family:Comic Sans Ms">Left 4 good. 8-|
Er, cold war/ww2 era and all that, yeah, but people, try to think out of those boundaries please? That era of history happend over 1000 years ago, I highly doubt its remembered.
Second, None, and i mean none of factions involved are pure representatives of either "political point of view" So keep those out of discussion.
Now on topic:
Hessians and SCRA are helping each other.
Reason is that we see things similarly. Moreso, people of rheinland are currently depressed and miserable. They lost war after war and its not doing good on morale. That is a perfect chance to spread new hope and revolutions, but in this case if Liberty takes over, maybe there will be no second chance to guide them to our ideal.
What some maybe do not understand is that we do not wish to "slaughter sirius" or "get most money" our sole purpose is to topple current govements in favor of our own idea, thus recreating power we had in Sol.
With fighting not for side, but for cause you can gain lots of respect from population, with that strengthening our foothold in rheinland.
But all this things are ideas we would like to play out more than simply undock from our base, go shoot corsairs for no good reason, go back to base, write report. Its dull and boring, serves no purpose. If it were for some "reality" Leon and Cadiz would allready be under coalition flag long ago.
Oh, and last note. Do not forget that even if [RM] as playerfaction has installed facist idea. Originally it is seen as most democratic (rigid, but just) by game master Igiss and its actually real point it should be seen as.
With respect, and as a member of SCRA, I find it unlikely that a Soviet descended faction will ever forget 20 mill+ Soviet casualties of WW2, SCRA siding with a facist faction is completey unrealistic and beyond OORP! Sorry but it is..
Facists hate communists.. And the feeling is mutual (one of the commendable aspects of communism).
Quote:Oh, and last note. Do not forget that even if [RM] as playerfaction has installed facist idea. Originally it is seen as most democratic (rigid, but just) by game master Igiss and its actually real point it should be seen as.
On this, it's less of a fascist ideal than it is an authoritarian ideal. This authoritarianism is embodied in the first law of Rheinland: RM is Law.
Quote:What some maybe do not understand is that we do not wish to "slaughter sirius" or "get most money" our sole purpose is to topple current govements in favor of our own idea, thus recreating power we had in Sol.
Unfortunately, this idea is maybe shared by you and a few others, not all.
EDIT:
Spear is correct. Are you saying that we just lost our pasts? Oh, then why didn't we just pick up new hobbies, like ping pong instead? And create an evil ping pong empire of tabletennisism?
Quote:[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<
Quote:Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?
Guys!
Please don't bring WW2 thingy up!
This is Freelancer! Most of people don't remember they are from Solar system! And yet again, socialism developed into commie and fasictic thingy... So there is no point in arguing about that one.... :(
<span style="font-family:Comic Sans Ms">Left 4 good. 8-|
![[Image: 545pxroyalcoatofarmsofs.th.png]](http://img96.imageshack.us/i/545pxroyalcoatofarmsofs.png/)
