Need to clarify, the BTA was doing it, at the moment there were only 1 BAF fighting, and when Zapp was speaking with him by PMs, I Killed the him (Sorry again).
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Probably a year ago the Lane Hackers were fighting some LSF in Texas when the LSF managed to draw us over to the Mississippi. The 4.84 stationary battleships could destroy a fighter before you knew you were under fire without any problems, as I discovered. Did we accuse the LSF of cowardice or a lack of fairplay? No, of course not. I admired them for being smart enough to fool us, we berated ourselves for being dumb enough to fall for it, and it hasn't worked against us again. Mjolnir in particular chewed me out for letting that happen. I bet he still remembers.
There is nothing unfair about it, and calling people cowards for doing it is ridiculous flaming.
I expect to next see threads claiming
- that it's unfair for fighters to draw gunboats or capital ships into asteroid fields during a fight,
- or that it's unfair for fighters to cross the axis of a capital ship to evade its fire,
- or that it's unfair for capital ships to draw fighters into explosive gas pocket fields,
- or that it's unfair for some people to use their ability to type while PVPing to better coordinate tactics and targets against those who cannot multitask,
- or that it's unfair for some to use skype or teamspeak in combat against those who don't have such access.
- or that it's unfair to lure someone into a guard system that is friendly to you while fighting them
- and the list could go on and on and on
All of these are just as legitimately "unfair" as attempting to draw an opponent towards a stationary battleship, when the opponent is fully capable of refusing to fall for the tactic. The selective definition of "unfairness" being asked for in this thread is just as equally subjective, one-sided, selfish, and unreasonable as the rest of those. If you insist on enforcing one through any means, you'd better believe that eventually you'll have all of them crammed down your throat.
In fact, why isn't it unfair for Zapp to fight anyone, when his skills obviously outmatch so many people? Soon there will be a call for a rule prohibiting more greatly skilled PVPers from attacking less skilled PVPers, and the establishment of a ranking system for every player so you know whom you can and cannot fairly fight. Boxing and wrestling matches are divided by weight class, and doing the same for PVP ability could be equivalent. Or we could establish a handicapping system, so that people with better aim have to submit to a certain amount of "free hits" from people with worse aim to make the fight "fair". Or perhaps we should place a limit on every player's server time so that it's harder for some to get better at PVP than others. I'm sure that many of the people you've blown up in your PVP sprees have thought your ability to do so was unfair, Zapp. Maybe we should give as much credence to their distress as you want us to give to yours. In fact, it could just as reasonably be argued that your Mercenary or BHG hunting any of my characters for a bounty is unfair and abusive since your PVP ability so far exceeds mine. If it's unfair for my fighter to be hunted by a capital ship then it must be unfair for my fighter to be hunted by your fighter, since your fighter could kill me faster and more easily than any cap could. (I love fighting caps with fighters, btw, it's just too easy) As a matter of fact, the entire Mandalorian faction ought to be prohibited from collecting bounties at all, since it's unfair for a team of people dedicated to PVP to hunt those who don't have that advantage. Just let me know when you want to -really- talk about fairness when you aren't the only beneficiary.
I expect anyone to use every tactical advantage to its best effect, including "terrain" whether it's asteroid fields, explosive gas pockets, radiation zones, NPCs, or stationary bases or battleships, just like I expect people to use weapon grouping, group communication, practiced aim, teamwork, and honed skills. None of them are unfair, or all of them are.
We have now reached the point with the server rules where every single PVP encounter on this server is potentially sanctionable, depending on the screenshots submitted, but apparently that's not enough (don't doubt me, I could get every single PVP I'm in sanctioned one way or another by taking the right screenshot). Now let's accuse the ones that we don't report of being the unfair result of cowardly tactics? No thanks.
"Unfairness" is a natural part of life, and attempting to add layer after layer of "rules" of any sort only results in more unfairness than you started with, along with the endless bickering and bad feelings that accompany all of the subjective accusations and judgments.
I play by very simple rules:
I do my best to win. Bad for the other guy.
If I can't win, I lose and the other guy wins. Good for him.
I don't complain about the other guy's tactics. I beat them, or learn to beat them, or just decide to play with someone else if I can't beat them and it's no fun for me.
I win or lose, but either way I shut up about it and don't go beating others over the head with the results.
Those are rules that will guarantee a better server.
Tossing accusations of "unfairness" around and trying to restrict other people's behavior through subjective judgmentalism will not.
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The Bretonia/Kusari front-line has had its share of accusations of all manner of "ungentlemanly conduct" among players since the Nagasaki first sat its fat rear near the Holman Outpost.
If the fight is planned or agreed upon, ie if both sides are looking for a dog-fight, then it makes sense to do it away from a base. I used the tactic of withdrawing to the Derby more than once when facing superior numbers in impromptu battles.
KNF hug bases plenty - they're damn right to as well, considering what I'll do to the lot of 'em.
But the thought of a BAF ensign "retreating" - ugh it's enough to make me puke. Onward chaps! Death or glory! I'm right behind you (at least 10k behind)
Xoria, you got this situation wrong. This was not them trying to draw us into the Ship, this was them running to the Battleship every time their shields went down, then when we didnt follow and their shields came back up returning to us away from the Battleship. I dont have a problem, with trying the tactic, but when it doesnt work, and the people you are trying to draw, obviously know what you are trying to do and dont go for it, it just makes a fight no fun. IE, we drop their shields they run for the Derby, we dont follow, their shields come back up they come back to engage us away from the Derby.
Xoria is still right, even in this situation you are describing, You felt in their little trick/trap. If you don't want to be fooled, just... go away or draw them AWAY from the BS, slowly. I'm not asking for a lot. Sure some tactic are more annoying than others. But I find most of them legitimate.
Kinda similar to a soldier pulling himself behind a wall to reload, while in the meantime, the Humvee will provide support.
When someone use a tactic against you, be smart and quick enough to pull one against him.
However, I find that hugging an enemy base, just to make its allies shoot it to get red to the base, very illegitimate, as it is seriously abusing a flaw in the game. Shooting allied NPC will make them red. pure game mechanics exploit
' Wrote:"Base hugging" is a legit tactic to help one's side, even if it is considered unsportsmanlike.
I might add, it can backfire. Battleship rounds don't care who they hit, and if your shields are down, bye-bye.
Way I see it, for BAF/KNF there are 2 choices:
1) Decide that base hugging is ok, and everyone can stop complaining about it right now. KNF hugs Stokes/Nagasaki, we hug our bases.
2) Have a gentleman's agreement to have our fights away from bases. a good 10 k away. (Athenian's directive)
Which way do you want it?
You don't understand Admiral. I will personally shoot any man who shows cowardice in the face of the foe.
That is to say, option 1, but by Newton's testicles, I'll flay any man who demonstrates anything less than a homocidal urge that borders on a deathwish.
To everyone in this thread, I can guarantee you will reap what you sow. So it's ok to shield run to a BS and the come back at an opponent when he doesnt follow you now days? thats fine. I will make sure I add that tactic to my portfolio, and since any tactic that is not explicitly against the rules is fair game now days, I will have to brush up on my less sportsman like ways of taking someone down, since everyone here seems so ok with it. I am sure it will make the serve a more friendly place.
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