Praetorian

[tansytansey]

The Cockpit reminds me on that head
:laugh:
http://www.serienoldies.de/images4/flintstones_dino.jpg
The back looks pretty good aswell. I would like to see the Tubes now or one tube. Dont know how many slots the one atm has.

I haven't models torpedo tubes onto it. I'm not a big fan of them, I left pleanty of room for the torpedo hardpoints to sit between the wings and close to the body.

And the shape of the cockpit is roughly the same as the Corsair line.

personally, i think the current preatorian model is perfect. not only does it fit into the corsair design, its also a beast in pvp. due to its shape its hard to hit, its got alot of armour so it can tank a bit, it can dodge alot as well. only reason i can see why people would want it changed it due to the torp slots being on either end instead of the center, or cuz they die in it alot.

also, your model doesnt strike me as heavy at all, nighthawk, whereas the current preatorian screams "IM HEAVY!"

I got nothing against the current praetorian either (except the textures...) but Cosmos asked me for a new one. I figured it'd be shut down by the Corsair community, but I had a good idea for it and it seemed like fun. I got no other projects to work on at the moment.

And I agree with you, it does seem light. I seem to have trouble with making heavy looking models, don't I?

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[frozen]

ive got a list of projects if you wanna join in. and yeah, you have a knack of building light ships :laugh:

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[seamus]

this ship looks funky.

but me as a Corsair bomber player, I must say that the Praetorian needs to be smaller and more agile.

I mean cmon..Have you seen the BHG Bomber? That this is one of if not the most agile bombers in the mod.

us corsairs need a smaller more agile bomber that can compete against the BHG Bomber and the Falcata.

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Once a Man who are Selling Ships see an Big Battleship he Ask the Commander from the Battleship that he want to sell this ship, but the Commander wouldnt he say I have an binding to this ship I dont sell this ship for All Money in Sirius so as the Commander and his Crew at Freeport 9 sleeping the Man and his Pirates the buy for much money going into the ship and stole the Battleship Next morning as the Commander and his Crew go to there ship it was not there...

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The greatest Roleplay ever of an Outcast Battleship being "Stolen"

[Zeltak]

personally, i think the current preatorian model is perfect. not only does it fit into the corsair design, its also a beast in pvp. due to its shape its hard to hit, its got alot of armour so it can tank a bit, it can dodge alot as well. only reason i can see why people would want it changed it due to the torp slots being on either end instead of the center, or cuz they die in it alot.

also, your model doesnt strike me as heavy at all, nighthawk, whereas the current preatorian screams "IM HEAVY!"

I was going to say almost everything Gurjiv said here.

The Praetorian in my eyes is one of the best bombers in the game as it stands now. Not only because it has a solid powerplant, alot of armor (including bots/bats) and maneuverability, but also due to its SHAPE. If you look at the Praetorian, it is small/thin from every angle: From the sides, from above, from below, it is small! That means an enemy has trouble hitting it from any angle of attack making that bomber very deadly.

Apart from the huge combat bonuses it currently has, it also looks great as it is, resembles the "Cross-like" shape that the Titan has.

I'm not saying that your model is bad, but the modification would not be beneficial in my eyes neither in combat or the aesthetic value of a Corsair vessel.

[tansytansey]

this ship looks funky.

but me as a Corsair bomber player, I must say that the Praetorian needs to be smaller and more agile.

I mean cmon..Have you seen the BHG Bomber? That this is one of if not the most agile bombers in the mod.

us corsairs need a smaller more agile bomber that can compete against the BHG Bomber and the Falcata.

I disagree. That would be completely uncharacteristic of a Corsair ship. They have a heavy VHF, a heavy Dreadnought, and the Gunboat is heavy too, isn't it? That's like Kusari suddenly getting an extremely heavy fighter.

Bombers weren't designed to compete against other bombers, either. They were designed to fight against capital ships. They may be, and are use against other player ships, but they should not be balanced for a role they were not intended to be used for.

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[tansytansey]

I was going to say almost everything Gurjiv said here.

The Praetorian in my eyes is one of the best bombers in the game as it stands now. Not only because it has a solid powerplant, alot of armor (including bots/bats) and maneuverability, but also due to its SHAPE. If you look at the Praetorian, it is small/thin from every angle: From the sides, from above, from below, it is small! That means an enemy has trouble hitting it from any angle of attack making that bomber very deadly.

Apart from the huge PvP bonuses it currently has, it also looks great as it is, resembles the "Cross-like" shape that the Titan has.

I'm not saying that your model is bad, but the modification would not be beneficial in my eyes neither in combat or the aesthetic value of a Corsair vessel.

Actually the design wasn't meant to be benefical or a hinderance or anything. It was just a design... And one could argue that being "thin and hard to hit" was an issue that made the ship unbalanced, and needed to be addressed. But, as it stands, this is just an idea.

I've also noticed people mentioning the Praetorian may have a bugged hitbox on skype. "Being able to shoot a SNAC through its' cockpit, and do no damage" I believe it was. If this is true then maybe the Praetorian does need a fix up. The model may not need to be changed, but personally I think the textures need to be redone with the proper Corsair textures.

EDIT: Here's that skype conversation about the Praetorians hitbox.

[4/07/2009 8:37:09 p.m.] Ashes says: ew praetorians D:
[4/07/2009 8:37:13 p.m.] Jon (The Zig) says: Yeah
[4/07/2009 8:37:19 p.m.] Jon (The Zig) says: Ew, Praetorians
[4/07/2009 8:37:24 p.m.] Jon (The Zig) says: 'Tis the Gladiator I want
[4/07/2009 8:37:32 p.m.] Ashes says: I haven't fought corsairs, but I bet Praetorians are easier to SNAC than Barghests
[4/07/2009 8:37:37 p.m.] Jon (The Zig) says: Nope
[4/07/2009 8:37:43 p.m.] Jon (The Zig) says: Quite difficult to SNAC due to their curious hitbox
[4/07/2009 8:37:53 p.m.] Ashes says: they're so massive though
[4/07/2009 8:37:55 p.m.] Jon (The Zig) says: They're notoriously good bombers, although that's never prevented me from absolutely raping 'em

[4/07/2009 8:39:07 p.m.] JakeSG (D:) says: Rofl.
[4/07/2009 8:39:12 p.m.] JakeSG (D:) says: Praetorians are ****ed, Tansy.
[4/07/2009 8:39:22 p.m.] Jon (The Zig) says: Showerin', brb.
[4/07/2009 8:39:24 p.m.] JakeSG (D:) says: You can put a SNAC through the cockpit and it comeso ut the other side >.>
[4/07/2009 8:39:48 p.m.] Ashes says: probably needs a new hitbox

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[teschy]

Hmm, I know for sure the Praetorian hitbox was fracked up in 4.84, but I thought they fixed it in the current version.

Still, the damned thing is still a bitch to hit, not to mention the firepower in can pack and eat, at the same time - not sure why the people flying it are whining.

[Tomtomrawr]

"IM HEAVY!"

Ah ha! An admision to you being fat (so heavy)! *Stops recording equipment* I know you said it for the Praetorian, i'm joking about this.
Your words have been edited by that which does not find it amusing.

Anyway, I agree with frozen and say the current model is fine. I can't see this model because i'm in school and the computers here SUCK!! Still, last day then 7 WEEKS OFF!! :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

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[17:45:39] Wolfs Ghost (Murphy): Tom, you have problems. Go kill yourself.
[19:25:12] Johnny (Jam): Tomtom, I will beat you with a spoon.
[14:22:56] Prarabdh Thakur: KILL HIM WITH A SHEEP.
[17:40:48] Eagle (Junes): Tom should be slapped with a spoon.
[11:32:18] Warspite: Thank you for being so awesome Tom. <3
[18:17:36] Metano: I love you tomtom
[20:06:24] Warspite: I will seriously give you epic head.

Edit: also, Tomtomrawr, fappin' like a boss.

[Zeltak]

Meh, you wanna re-do it fine by me, I'm an Outcast player, easier to hit for me.

Just saying Corsair players shouldn't whine when they have one of the best, if not the best overall Bomber which excels in all areas of combat.

[Cosmos]

I think the ship looks..Unique.

Yet I agree with seamus here the Corsairs learn too Adapt and evolve yet we keep having heavy ships made for us.

In Roleplay the Corsairs would realise that the Current praetorian lacks the agility to manouver out of the way of Snacs and other things or else the ship itself will be made redundant.

so my request still stands for an agile yet competetive bomber.

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