Final version of new rules

[BestFlyerHere]

Snide tone... I didn't know I could express a tone of voice on a forum. Apparently you learn something every day.

Because the spa and cruise ID does not allow you to fly gunboats, it only allows fighters, traders and transports.

Let me explain this to you. A liner is a liner. Sure, it's classified as a GB, but it's a liner. It never says you can't fly liners...

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[Wobbly]

Let me explain this to you.

That's where the snide tone comes in

A liner is a liner. Sure, it's classified as a GB, but it's a liner. It never says you can't fly liners...

It says what ships are allowed, which is fighters, traders and transports, it doesn't say liners.

A lux liner is a civilian ship designed for transporting passengers, to me that means it should be a transport. If Igiss says it is a GB then it would be a rules violation to fly one with a S&C ID, which makes no RP sense.

I've been asking for clarification on this for a couple weeks, I just wish I could get an answer without all the attempts at starting another flamewar.

[Kane]

Perhaps then, a new classification is in order.

Luxury and Prison liners become, (OMFG) Liners! Civilian corporations are allowed Luxury Liners, with mostly regular transport turrets and a few heavy mounts for gunboat weaponry, while Prison Liners are given to the police and have the reverse. Of course, prison liners have less cargo then luxury liners to make up for the heavier plateing, weapons systems, and the on-board security.

And yes, you heard me right. Civvies are allowed the Lux Liner, Police are allowed the Prison Liner. Why? Would any corporation use a prison transport to carry passangers? No. Would Police use a luxury liner to carry convicts? No.

So, here is my proposed stats for the Lux liner and Prison liner;

Prison Liner
- Less cargo hold
- Increased armor
- Mostly GB weapon mounts
- Transport class shield
- Allowed ship by the Police (Not the Navy, the Police)

Luxury Liner
- Larger cargo hold
- Civilian transport armor
- Mostly transport weapons
- Sheild in-between Transport and GB (so it can get closer to those spectacular stellar phenominon without endangering passangers)
- Allowed ship by Civilian corporations

There, have we solved this particular problem to everyone's satisfaction?

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[Qunitinius~Verginix]

Wwll, This is Helpfull acctually! I have some good Ideas for characters now. Glad we go this thing cleared up.

Verginix out

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[Dab]

First Wobbly, then I'll comment on Kane's idea.

Wobbly, having a S&C ID makes PERFECT RP sense with the Luxury Liner. THEY MAKE THE SHIP. The ONLY Luxury Liners you see are ones controlled by the S&C. Personally, I think only people with S&C IDs and tags should be flying the thing. But whatever.

@Kane; I agree with you on most points. But the Luxury Liner needs better than average armor than the transports. Its bigger, and meant to be much more stronger than the average Large Train. If we make it have transport armor and shields, its worthless. I think it should have its current armor, with transport or gunboat shields. (Trust me, people can do decent damage to you when you have a gunboat shield, not a cruiser. Your significantly larger and slower than the transports, but just small enough that cruiser shield is overpowered on it. Makes GB a good choice for shield and armor.

We can't make a new shield class for the Lux Liner either, because we have no slots left for them. If we make it a level 7 shield, people will buy it for their transports. IF we make it a level 8 shield, people will just go and equip a gunboat shield on the thing.

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[Wobbly]

Wobbly, having a S&C ID makes PERFECT RP sense with the Luxury Liner.

That was my point all along. The problem was the S&C ID didn't allow them to be flown if they were a gunship, the rule is what made no RP sense, not flying a LL with a S&C ID.

As far as a lux liner equipment, I think it is OK as is, although I thought it was better in the last version before it was nerfed a bit. The fact is S&C would care about protecting it's passengers as much as any military would care about protecting it's ship, there isn't a lot of money in dead passengers.

Besides, if it is restricted to transport equipment it will either be better than a large train, and everyone will fly one, or worse, and no one will fly one.

Also, the question of what is allowed to attack it is still open. If a liner = gunboat then cap ships can attack it, if it = transport then only =<gunboats can attack it, right?

Edited just to add that a pretty good case could be made for a lux liner to be a battleship type ship since it is a dockable station like the battleships.

[Qunitinius~Verginix]

Are you saying that It would be good to have battleship weapons on it? Or only that it counts as a battleship class. Either way, I don't think that works very good.

I really like your suggestion dab. Give it a gunboat class shield. This means that any fighter has an actual chance against fighting this thing and that if it goes against a capital ships, it will most likely die. About the weapons, I think that the class 8 GB weapons should be limited to 5 for the Lux Liner and 4 for the prison liner. A ship with all the space devoted to making its passengers comfortable will NOT have enough room for the power generators and the wiring for the guns and all the things that pure military craft do.

Verginix out

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[TankTarget]

QV...you confuse me...You say the police ship should have less firepower than the civilian one? That is silly, I say give the Lux liner improved Armor, shields and four GB weapons and a weaker power supply than a gunboat. Then give the police transport six GB weapons a transport shield and weaker armor (so that it makes RP sense in requiring an escort). And make the power supply less than a gunboat so no one goes around with 6 cerberus turrets....

[Wobbly]

A ship with all the space devoted to making its passengers comfortable will NOT have enough room for the power generators and the wiring for the guns and all the things that pure military craft do.

The lux liner is much larger than a gunboat, it is battleship sized, large enough to serve as a dockable station. It would have comparable engines and power generation to a battleship as a simple matter of necessity. I think the lux liner in unmodded bini files has less armor but comparable firepower to capital military ships.

Those high rollers aren't paying the big bucks to see the sights in a death trap after all.

More to the point, the ship has to fill a niche to be useful. Nerf it further than you did in the last mod update and you might as well just take it out of the mod because no one will fly it, RP or not. On blue knights I think I am the only one flying one anyway, for RP reasons with a spa and cruise ID since it's safe to do that on that server and not risk a ban for doing so.

Really, as a trader it's half the profit of a large train, and as a cap ship it can't hold it's own against other cap ships, it's the worst of both worlds in a lot of ways.

I suggest BS shields, cruiser armor and weapons if it is allowed to be a target for cap ships, and keeping it as is if it is restricted to gunship and below attacks.

[TankTarget]

Whoa there buddy that would make it a frigate, do you think the government of any of the houses would let a company build a ship that could potentially be used to fight a war against them?

It is a civilian ship, give it GB shields and high armor 4 GB turrets and there still will be 7 standard turrets...

And as for the prison liner, it could almost be left as is and be restricted to house Police only and make it against the rules for people to use it any other manner... Or weaken it enough and make into a trader...