Kusari Bomber Developement

[Koolmo]

Thats a good idea Yngen, you might also consider turning the pontoons sideways and making them smaller, i think it would look sleeker that way.


EDIT: WOOT!!!! 800 posts ! cookie for me...

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[Dab]

I don't know how I missed this thread but oh well. *Shrug*

I think the ship needs a bit more than 2 guns.. Especially low level ones. I'm thinking 4 level 10s and making it the most agile fighter. Or even 2 level 10s and 2-4 level 9s would be good. Least armor, highest agility, good size. But giving it two guns would make it as bad as a VHF with one Nova AMC on it..

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[mohr]

Well thank you for your sugjestions! I have been a bit busy with other thing. I know it seems a bit halfbaked for now, but I am going to finish this model. I know I does have a large body, perhaps a side by side comparison should be in order? This may also help deciding if the model needs a major change.

Anywho I am working on skinning the BHG Bomber first, and with the freelancer textures now, it should be much faster. I am planning to make some major progress on both this weekend.

If you have more suggestions on this bomber post em. I you have suggestions on the BHG bomber, it has its own thread as well.

mohr

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[mohr]

Okay, some comparison pictures, please comment, sugjest changes, and tell me how these images impact your day. (If they make you cry from joy, it's all right... :laugh: ...sorry)

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5142/kb...re1wg5.jpg
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4913/kb...compare2dw7.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4756/kb...compare3en9.jpg

And for those that are worried the bomber is as big as a gunship...
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1333/kb...re4vb5.jpg
I wasn't able to get the whole model into Maya...

And finally, the current benchmark for bambers compared to the Kusari counterpart...
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9397/kb...compare1li7.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1875/kb...compare2ak4.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7458/kb...compare3ht0.jpg

Please comment, give me your opinion, and please tell me why the RH Bomber is the same size as the average VHF and has more firepower? (if this starts a discussion, good! Just no flameing please...) If you are reading this please post SOMETHING! Hopefully something constructive?

mohr

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[Koolmo]

Well, I would cry... but I'l lazy. I think I overestimated the scale of the bomber, i still think it might look cool with sideways pontoons, but whatever. Looking good.

As for the RH bomber... erm... it flies like a brick in heat? I dunno.

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[Fellow Hoodlum]

Good job Mohr, certainly captured the essence of Kusari with that baby. I get the feel of a racing seaplane
with the shape. Scneider Trophy style.
Possibly for me, wider and maybe a little shorter would give it a more ugly and bad boy look, like the others
in the class. Not a criticism at all, just an observation. Keep it up mate ...

Hoodlum

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[Yngen]

"...and please tell me why the RH Bomber is the same size as the average VHF and has more firepower?"

Exactly what I was thinking, now that i see the two next to each other. The RH bomber presents a bigger target from above, below and head-on. The Kusari is a bigger target from the side-due to the length of its pontoons. I didn't realise how skinny you made it at first.

The differences in size between the RH and the Kusari concept are subtle, which means the difference in armor and manueverability should also be subtle. If you aren't looking for a subtle difference between the two, but something more obvious, I would reduce the length of the pontoons (maybe not 50%, but perhaps 25%,) which would make it more of a light bomber compared to the heavy RH one.

I also noticed the BHG bomber is going to be a lighter bomber, which means it would be a good idea to think ahead to the other bombers that might or might not be made for Discovery.

I would assume the indroduction of house bombers to Discovery should mimick the balance arc that the other fighters follow. I don't know enough about the balance spread of the VHFs to accurately guage this but the Reinlanders and Corsairs obviously go for firepower/armor over agility. It seems to me that the Outcasts/borderworld pirates and BHG have a roughly equal balance in their fighters (lighter, faster.) and that Liberty/bretonia are somewhere in between the two. Some delving in Datastorm might show a more detailed balance flow between the factions that could be mimicked in the bombers.

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[Dab]

VHF info;

Liberty; Somewhat smaller, but with high armor and firepower over agility.
Rheinland; High armor and Firepower over agility and size.
Kusari; Agility above firepower, with midpoint armor.
Bretonia; Balanced between
Outcasts; Agility and Firepower over size and armor
Corsairs; Armor and firepower over agility and size
Civilians; Agility above all else. Good firepower, high agility, with okay armor and size.

Bomber suggestions;

Liberty bomber should have a somewhat small size, with slightly more agility than the RH bomber, but with the same firepower and a little less armor. About 4 class 10 guns, or 2 Class 10s with 4 class 9s.
Kusari bomber should be the most agile unless Outcasts make one. It should have lower firepower, the two torps, and only 2 class 10s, with 2-3 9s, or with 5-6 class 9s. Armor a about 1,500 or so less than Liberty's.
Bretonia bomber should have about 4 Class 10 guns, with medium armor, about 500-1,500 more than Liberty's, and 1,000 less than Rheinland's. Medium agility, a little bit better than Liberty bomber but less than Kusari's. About the RH Bomber's size.
Civilians shouldn't have a bomber.

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[Qunitinius~Verginix]

Wow mate, I only discovered this Thread today and it looks great! I think That having it bigger/longer makes it look alot less like something 'random freelancer joe-bob would pick and fly and more like a large military Vessel.

Congrats all around and keep up the good work.

Verginix Out

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[Ripper]

I realy cant wait to ftry it...I love Kusari,and of course Kusari ships.

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