Union Corse ID

[Ceoran]

The ID is screwed. Docking on lawful bases is not allowed for the UC. Hoodlum stated it somewhere in the old Transition forum and I think I have an ingame screenshot of it too. Let me check if I can find it.

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[Dusty Lens]

The ID is sort of the result of Gallia's curious setup, which I'm not entirely surprised results in a confusing situation.

The ID is not entirely unlike a Junker one which allows for piracy. The idea being that, in Gallia, there is some kind of perverse logic to the idea of someone pirating a transport and then docking on an adjacent base.

The ID demands use of logic and consideration which is, sadly, why it fails.

I'll have a conversation with Igiss at next opportunity to see what his ideal vision is for the UC in terms of game mechanics.

[sovereign]

Keep in mind that they have bases right next to the Maquis (who murder children and puppies if that'll help them hurt the Crown), and are listed as allies of the Brigands and Maquis. However, their ID not only allows them to dock on lawful bases, but also allows them to ally with the GRP against anyone and prohibits them from firing on the GRN or GRP. Lore suggests the GRP are jealous of them.

So yeah.

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[Magnabyte]

Just to give the opinion of us in the La Brise family, the Unione corse are similar to the mafia, they might commit crimes, but on the other hand, they make sure that no one realises it. its likely they use the guise as brigands to do thier most aggressive actions, given that they have access to brigand technology and ships. Now, if they where caught in the act that would be very diffrent, but until they are caught, their not really criminals, why else would a fully repped up UC character remain neutral to the GRN and GRP. why else do they have the ability to bounty hunt to keep the legal forces apeases? I'm sure the GRN and GRP both know that the UC are not above board, but thats just like modern day police knowing who mafia bosses are, unless you can prove it what are you going to do? The GRN and GRP are stuck in the same position, if they have proof on a UC for breaking the law, then they will ofcourse ban him from docking....but until they have the proof what are they going to do?

Might I suggest that the ruling stay as it is, and once police have proof of a UC pilot commiting a crime, then FR 5 him to red with all legals and let him sweat it out till the ehat is off, just like what would really happen.

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[qwertypp7]

Makes sense for them to be able to land on lawful bases in my opinion. Not Navy and military bases no but lawful bases yes. The Unione Corse aren't the Brigands or the Marquis. They are much more subtle than that.

The Unione Corse are operating under a thin viel of legality much like the mafia they are based on.
These guys aren't common crooks and pirates. They're organized, well connected criminals. They are even very careful to avoid annoying the GRP and GRN.
They don't just pirate for goods and money or go on raids to grab loot and cause chaos. If they pirate a ship it is for a very definate reason and they are sure to cover it up from the authorities by making it look like a Brigands raid or leaving no survivors.

As Magnus points out, modern law enforcement agencies know who Mafia bosses are but without solid evidence they can't make a move. Those criminals are free to do as they please provided they don't let the authorities get the evidence of it.

A good example would be if the Corse wanted to extort money from the IDF...
They would offer 'protection'. Then say that the IDF doesn't pay up. One of their transports is then pirated by 'Brigands' and the Corse 'save' the transport from its attackers. The transport pilot isn't going to say anything. The Corse will hurt him or his family if he says anything incriminating to the authorities. So he says that the Corse arrived in the nick of time to save him from the Brigands and that he paid them a 500,000 'reward' for their service. The company know full well what happened. Its the Corse putting pressure on them to pay up. Can they prove it though? No.
They still don't pay up? Then the 'Brigands' destroy a transport leaving no survivors and making off with the cargo. The Corse send their condolences that they couldn't be there to save the transport.

Of course that is just a 'hypothetical' example...

Everything illegal the Corse do is concealed in this way.
The lawfuls might know they're scum, but can they do a damn thing about it? No.

If an individual member of the Corse is caught in the act of doing something illegal? Well then they were acting of their own accord. They will have to face the music for their actions (for example being FR5'd to hostile to lawful bases, arrested, destroyed, whatever).

In short, keep that part on the ID the same. It fits perfectly with the Corse's RP and distinguishes them from the Brigands and the Marquis. If an individual Corse is stupid enough to get caught? Well then the Corse still have denyability. He was working for himself. He won't betray them by telling the truth.

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[Elven]

Don't forget Unione Course is part of Gallic "smuggling ring". They're people who smuggle Sirrian stuff to planets.

[qwertypp7]

Just to clarify Elven, is that post meant to support or detract from the Corse ID allowing landing on lawful bases?

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[Cosmos]

*takes the hogosha and farmers alliace and compares them too the UC...*

whats the difference?

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[11of10]

I'm sure the GRN and GRP both know that the UC are not above board, but thats just like modern day police knowing who mafia bosses are, unless you can prove it what are you going to do? The GRN and GRP are stuck in the same position, if they have proof on a UC for breaking the law, then they will ofcourse ban him from docking....but until they have the proof what are they going to do?

Might I suggest that the ruling stay as it is, and once police have proof of a UC pilot commiting a crime, then FR 5 him to red with all legals and let him sweat it out till the ehat is off, just like what would really happen.

Little sidetrack:

Well, Royal Police maybe, but when you consider what are GRN made for, I don't think they'd have much of a moral dilemma to just incinerate them on the spot based on some tip from an anonymous IDF officer.

And the stuff:

I think letting the ruling stay as it is would be bad, because we really don't have enough people to allow something like that. If disco had the population of an EVE server, that might be sensible, but this way, it just leaves too much holes to slip through. Also, if you're gonna leave it like that, make the UC ID unable to pirate unless something else happens, like being in a not patrolled system, or being allied with a GRP. Sort of like the Sirian Junkers can't pirate in House systems.

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[Ceoran]

Little sidetrack:

Well, Royal Police maybe, but when you consider what are GRN made for, I don't think they'd have much of a moral dilemma to just incinerate them on the spot based on some tip from an anonymous IDF officer.

Very true. The GRN doesn't need proof. All they need to do is to say they defended the crown. Also I can't see them allowing a UC on one of their battleships. If docking with lawful bases would be allowed, it should be limited to GRP and corporate bases only. But if it would be allowed, we could finally have some [UC]-traders pretending to be the real source of income.
Also, even if the GRP officer would listen to the tip, why not simply bribe him?

Also, Cosmos: The difference is that the Hogosha and Farmers are supported and needed by the government. They are legal because they work for them and get paid for it. The Unione Corse however has to pay and bribe to stay legal. Also, the Kusari do pirate gaijins while the UC pirates the own guys. (read 'pirate' as 'get money from in whatever way')

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