Alliances

[Jwnantze]

Actually, I have seen the OPG in Cali on a regular basis

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[Eppy]

I have blown the OPG up in Cali on a regular basis...

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

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[Unseelie]

why are the opg in cali?

and why are the LSF in 31?

because the action is there.....

and why do I only ever get pirated when my support is not online?

ok....if these groups go so far out of their way for action....why cant my support get i while i fly through corsair space?

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[uspatriotsf]

Lets not forget how my beloved country for all intents and purposes forces aid from her allies. You think Blair actually wanted to go to Iraq with "The Evil One"? Nevertheless the UK did go to Iraq with us, as did Japan, Australia, Canada, and a slew of other countries. And lets not forget World War II. Germany never attacked us, regardless, we went to Europe to help defend France, Poland, and Great Britain. It wasnt until after we did that Nazi U-Boats began raiding our shores. Granted we saw a global threat in the Axis powers before Japan ever attacked us. Technically in the begining our only war was with Japan.

The US went to Vietnam and Korea to keep communism out of those countries, not because it was invading our shores. Not our place or our business, but that is another issue. The point is that allegances can mean aiding your allies in their homelands.

Im gonna agree with Korrd on this one, an alliance is whatever you make it.

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[ghostcat]

Lets not forget how my beloved country for all intents and purposes forces aid from her allies. You think Blair actually wanted to go to Iraq with "The Evil One"? Nevertheless the UK did go to Iraq with us, as did Japan, Australia, Canada, and a slew of other countries. And lets not forget World War II. Germany never attacked us, regardless, we went to Europe to help defend France, Poland, and Great Britain. It wasnt until after we did that Nazi U-Boats began raiding our shores. Granted we saw a global threat in the Axis powers before Japan ever attacked us. Technically in the begining our only war was with Japan.

The US went to Vietnam and Korea to keep communism out of those countries, not because it was invading our shores. Not our place or our business, but that is another issue. The point is that allegances can mean aiding your allies in their homelands.

Im gonna agree with Korrd on this one, an alliance is whatever you make it.

Actually, the US was staying out of WWII, the US only entered the war when Japan (stupidly) attacked our base at Pearl Harbor. That pissed everyone off enough to enter the war. Since Germany was allied with Japan, they got hit too.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Lets not forget how my beloved country for all intents and purposes forces aid from her allies. You think Blair actually wanted to go to Iraq with "The Evil One"? Nevertheless the UK did go to Iraq with us, as did Japan, Australia, Canada, and a slew of other countries. And lets not forget World War II. Germany never attacked us, regardless, we went to Europe to help defend France, Poland, and Great Britain. It wasnt until after we did that Nazi U-Boats began raiding our shores. Granted we saw a global threat in the Axis powers before Japan ever attacked us. Technically in the begining our only war was with Japan.

The US went to Vietnam and Korea to keep communism out of those countries, not because it was invading our shores. Not our place or our business, but that is another issue. The point is that allegances can mean aiding your allies in their homelands.

Im gonna agree with Korrd on this one, an alliance is whatever you make it.

Um, why didn't the UK go to Vietnam then? Because they would need a reason that mattered to them. Why would the LSF or Liberty Navy, whose prime goal is protecting Liberty's economy bother spending millions on ships to protect Bretonia from small-time crooks? Same goes for the USA and the Falklands. They ddn't care enough. Sure, they agreed with the UK, but they weren't offering soldiers!

Also, WW2... how long did the US take to enter? Until halfway through. And, come on, neither Britain nor America gave a damn about Poland. It was an excuse. If they cared about Poland it wouldn't have been on the Eastern side of the Iron Curtain.

Also, Canada didn't invade Iraq. They are in Afghanistan, though.

Now, my beef is that foreign factions in this game are acting like the cops in the wrong systems...

Team[color=#000099] Liberty: Sirius Police!

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[uspatriotsf]

@ghostcat: Hence why I said :

Technically in the begining our only war was with Japan.

@bluntpencil: Iraq, Afghanistan; Apples, Oranges. And as far as World War II goes, correct we didnt enter the war until halfway through. However, financial aid, weapons, technology, and naval blockades were given in support of the war effort (the whole reason Japan attacked us in the first place). Also American pilots were voluntarily sent to fly in the British Air Force.

Getting way off topic here. I guess the point is that if Bretonia asked for Liberty's support in Tau-31, or if Liberty saw a threat to themselves there, or if a common enemy was hold up there then their presence there would be understandable. But, none of those cases is true as far as I know, so you win.

GET OUT OF TAU-31 LIBERTY. Or stay, whatever you want to do. I personally want to blow up Harris and the MacDuff.

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[Hyperwave22]

Getting way off topic here. I guess the point is that if Bretonia asked for Liberty's support in Tau-31, or if Liberty saw a threat to themselves there, or if a common enemy was hold up there then their presence there would be understandable. But, none of those cases is true as far as I know, so you win.

If this is alluding to the SF/SA pact, this statement is right and wrong. SF has a fairly liberal relationship with SA right now, and logically, because we are at war, it makes sense to have assistance down there. As for Tau-31, there is some logic in having assistance from another faction help us in an all-out war.

As far as the real-world topics:

In the past, civilizations and later countries have been given full support from their allies in their territory. For example, in both WWI and WWII France allowed America, Britain, (and the Soviet Union, but I think they were pretty busy holding off the Central/Axis Powers on their side) and other allies into their country during the war. If a nation needs assistance, then allies will probably give it to them assuming that they have adequate supplies.

However, financial aid, weapons, technology, and naval blockades were given in support of the war effort (the whole reason Japan attacked us in the first place). Also American pilots were voluntarily sent to fly in the British Air Force.

This is also a very valid argument. The U.S. in both world wars and in other wars after have given support other than direct fighting. The U.S. was involved before. And technically, Japan and Germany didn't share the "alliance" that we may think. In fact, the only real thing that Japan had in common with Germany was and the need for natural resources. The alliance was very weak by any means.

Japan attacked the U.S. because it tried earlier to attack China (to gain natural resources) and it miserably failed. They needed resources, so they went after the U.S., one of the countries with a massive amount of them. The U.S. realized that they would eventually be thrown into the war on either side, and decided to help eliminate the European threats since they figured that Hitler would eventually get their anyway, and France/Britain were taxed to the max.

Only once the Allies had taken Berlin (or more the Soviet Union taken it) did the U.S. divert its worries to
Japan.

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[Quigs]

I can't see Liberty sending cops or navy into Tau-31 unless they declared open hostilities vs Bretonia (unlikely) or Kusari (slightly less unlikely). If piracy in Tau-31 was somehow negatively impacting on big Liberty corps I could see LSF making an appearance. That's kinda what their mandate is... ensure the steady flow of other peoples' money and products into Liberty. If it is a pirate hot spot I think IC would hire Blackwater, er, I mean a private army of BH guildies to clean the place out too.

CP

[BestFlyerHere]

However, financial aid, weapons, technology, and naval blockades were given in support of the war effort (the whole reason Japan attacked us in the first place). Also American pilots were voluntarily sent to fly in the British Air Force.

This is also a very valid argument. The U.S. in both world wars and in other wars after have given support other than direct fighting. The U.S. was involved before. And technically, Japan and Germany didn't share the "alliance" that we may think. In fact, the only real thing that Japan had in common with Germany was and the need for natural resources. The alliance was very weak by any means.

Good point, Hyperwave, but you have forgotten one critical factor. The American pilots resigned from the US Armed Forces to fight in the RAF. They flew with the RAF insignia, and colors on their planes. Same with the Flying Tigers in China. They abandoned their paychecks, and their rank to fight in a foreign army.

Now, until I see some SA/LSF resigning from their faction, and sporting SF tags, I will not be satisfied with them being 4 systems away from Liberty, muddling around in Bretonia.

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