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Long range BS AA guns aka Another bomber vs cap rant topic
Offline CzeReptile
06-01-2010, 12:45 PM,
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So far swarm of bombers can kill anything.

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Offline Monster
06-01-2010, 12:51 PM,
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Cap ships should deffinately have fighter defences but the flack turrets do need to be fixed.As I mentioned in another thread ,flack turrets need a 2.00 to 4.00 refire rate with less power and need to be fully automatic like other guns.

And now that we are going back to world war two ,most bombers didn't really stand much a chance against cap ships.They were lightly armored slow planes with short ranged attacks but very effective if by a miracle they got close enough to drop their ordance.And i'm not talking abouut a few bombers here I'm talking about at least 10-20-... going at a battleship or destroyer at once.

Are we only allowed 1 cap ship on our freelancer account?

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Offline Crissbv
06-01-2010, 12:57 PM,
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Simple solution is to make Primary Turets of a Bs to have more speed 1500ms should do it ,the rest remain unchanged even with this speed is hard to hit faster targets.
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Offline CzeReptile
06-01-2010, 01:02 PM,
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1500 prims = uber battleship. With that you can eliminate ANYTHING. Except for cruisers staying at 4k with pulse and LM and FWG

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Zeltak
06-01-2010, 01:15 PM,
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' Wrote:So far swarm of bombers can kill anything.

I don't know which Fighter pilots you have been facing that fly straight towards a Bomber ship without shields, but as far as I'm aware Bombers are extremely weak against Fighter crafts. So no, they can't kill everything.

3-Battle Razor Gunboats are also extremely strong against Bombers, granted you need a few of them so they can perform some tactics and the Gunboat in question needs to be rather agile, e.g. Liberty Rogue Gunboat.

An extremely good Fighter pilot could probably solo Four Bombers. But this really depends on how skilled the Bombers are as well.

In general though, if we assume we have the same level of skill on both sides and the numbers are equal (Fighters vs Bombers).

If the Fighters use proper tactics, they have a 90% chance to win.
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Offline CzeReptile
06-01-2010, 01:18 PM,
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I dunno who I have been facing, I shot 4 VHFs in a row with my bomber, while first I faced 3 and took em all on simultaneously and got em dead eventually. So it much depends. But good bomber pilot can hurt your fighter.

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Zeltak
06-01-2010, 01:20 PM,
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' Wrote:I dunno who I have been facing, I shot 4 VHFs in a row with my bomber, while first I faced 3 and took em all on simultaneously and got em dead eventually. So it much depends. But good bomber pilot can hurt your fighter.

I agree that the skill is really a big factor regarding the specific balance between a Fighter versus a Bomber. But experiences tells me that in general a Fighter should win.

This is mostly due to the fact that in 4.85 the shield-removal capabilities of a Bomber is rendered useless against Fighters unless you manage to land a Screamer Mine & Cruise Disruptor combo. Even then a smart Fighter pilot would simply shieldrun until he was safe again and then continue attacking you.

In the past you could counter this with fast shield-busting guns such as Debilators or Mini Razors. Such things don't exist anymore.
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Offline CzeReptile
06-01-2010, 01:25 PM,
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But mounting 4+ shieldbusting bomber guns mean you only need to get caught in the blast once to lose shields.

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Zeltak
06-01-2010, 01:32 PM,
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' Wrote:But mounting 4+ shieldbusting bomber guns mean you only need to get caught in the blast once to lose shields.

Yes but these guns travel slower than a Mini Razor and not only that, all four need to hit. I do not understand how you can argue that Bombers are stronger (in general) against Fighters than the reverse.

What are you basing this from? Experiences? I assume so. Killing a few individual Fighters dosen't count for much and does not necessarily mean its unbalanced. Granted you could say the very same thing to me, but I base my experiences ranging from duels to being attacked by multiple Bombers, flying in different Fighters during different times in different systems. More than just one encounter.

If you base your argument from the fact that you believe in general a Bomber can beat a Fighter I would like to challenge your claim by asking you to bring any Bomber ship of your choice and bring it to Connecticut. I got a few people who I can ask who can fight you.

It's more about the skill differences and the tactics being used rather than any assumed imbalance which is connected to statistics and numbers.
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Offline CzeReptile
06-01-2010, 01:35 PM,
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Thing is, I am no big bomber pilot. It just surprises me that still in the bomber I can kill fighters. I know folks too who can bring bomber and last olol long. Not about that.

Ill specify.
Bombers > Anything bigger then fighter bombers included.

I yet again ask why 800 mil BS when it gets scrapped by 80 mil worth bombers. I miss zhe point. And no, I dont argue here cause I have 4 battleships. Ive blown several dozen of those in my flying time on Disco. Just curious...

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