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Offline Blodo
03-23-2011, 10:07 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-23-2011, 10:10 PM by Blodo.)
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Not much really. I would rather propose the Bundschuh focus on Sigma-13 more. It's the area where there are no Hessians, and they can try and shoot GMG + all the traders with ore heading to Kusari.

EDIT: In response to the two posts previous to this one: It would need a big shift in Bundschuh RP lore wise. Right now the Bundschuh are pro-democracy, anti-government. Something really drastic (and probably unlikely) would need to happen that would probably need to be incorporated to the mod lore.
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03-23-2011, 10:09 PM,
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' Wrote:Xenophobic terrorism under nationalist idealism, targeting shipments of foreign origin or of leftist orientation, similar to what the Farmers Alliance in Kusari do.

Hell, even I'd rejoin if that was to be done.

You would get Rheinland xenos like that, which doesn't make them semi lawful, but just nazis which would demand all cargo and shoot the RM all the time.
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Offline Ceoran
03-23-2011, 10:11 PM,
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' Wrote:I am unsure about this. If they were semi-lawful? What then? What would they do then?

Pretty much this one. Can't see a Rheinland-AFA working out. And I don't think having a rip-off of another (already not so active) faction will improve your own one.

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Offline Lobster
03-23-2011, 10:12 PM,
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' Wrote:Not much really. I would rather propose the Bundschuh focus on Sigma-13 more. It's the area where there are no Hessians, and they can try and shoot GMG + all the traders with ore heading to Kusari.

EDIT: In response to the two posts previous to this one: It would need a big shift in Bundschuh RP lore wise. Right now the Bundschuh are pro-democracy, anti-government. Something really drastic (and probably unlikely) would need to happen that would probably need to be incorporated to the mod lore.

While I agree with you, and the fact that what you are saying makes the most seance in regards to lore, right now, this is what the VF are doing, and as you can see, they have 2 active members, a dieing faction, and a disenchanted leader. Something needs to change, otherwise they will wither and die in the hessain's shadow.
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Offline Vrabcek
03-23-2011, 10:14 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-23-2011, 10:16 PM by Vrabcek.)
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The Idea is good and the Bundschuh faction has potential.

As Jarl stated, what would we do....Thats the problem, becouse all Rheinland unlawfuls are kind of buddies. Only Rheinland enemies I could imagine would be the unioners, who allied some times with the corsairs, who are a big enemy to the bundschuh.

The problem might be also that the Bundschuh are allies with the Red Hessians. that alliance is lore based and Im not sure whether we could break it somehow. There is just one point we dont like about the hessians, its the SCRA. The Volksfront had just one encounter with a SCRA and it didnt end well.

As far for the house trading factions...Im not sure what could we do about this point.

EDIT: wrote it when there were just 3 posts Q.Q

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Offline Wuselkobold
03-23-2011, 10:14 PM,
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I've already spoke to Michael over Skype about this as well and I like the idea.
You could also start hostilities towards the Unioners, as they are more greedy pirates rather than revolutionaries, and if you still keep the 'protector of the people' trait, being unriendly to them would suit you well.

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Offline Sturmwind
03-23-2011, 10:15 PM,
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' Wrote:EDIT: In response to the two posts previous to this one: It would need a big shift in Bundschuh RP lore wise. Right now the Bundschuh are pro-democracy, anti-government. Something really drastic (and probably unlikely) would need to happen that would probably need to be incorporated to the mod lore.

Right now they are, so were they a few hundred years ago, but the orientation of groups change along with their history and more importantly, leadership.

If a more nationalistic radical leader would step up, perhaps with a coup, he could continue with flying around with the Bundschuh name and tech, with a different alignment than which his predecessors followed.

' Wrote:You would get Rheinland xenos like that, which doesn't make them semi lawful, but just nazis which would demand all cargo and shoot the RM all the time.

Again, I could compare them to the Farmers Alliance. They are following similar ideas are tolerated by the government, since they are of a centralized, traditionalist / nationalist affiliation too. The Rheinland government is nationalistic too, and it's more likely for them to tolerate nationalist radicalism than anarchist / socialist / communist radicalism which is going on in Rheinland already, expressed by pretty much every single group.

Key change would be the Bundschuh gaining the status of a semi-lawful faction.
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Offline Zelot
03-23-2011, 10:15 PM,
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I dont know if its a bad idea. I dont know if its a good idea. I do think it would need to be waaaay more fleshed out before I can make a call on it.

My major questions would be:

1) What lawful activities would they partake in?
2) What unlawful activities would they partake in?
3) What would make the government overlook the unlawful activities?
4) What would their relations be with the Rhineland lawfuls?
5) What would their relations be with the Rhineland unlawfuls?
6) Why would this change bring in more activity to the faction?

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Offline Lobster
03-23-2011, 10:18 PM,
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' Wrote:I've already spoke to Michael over Skype about this as well and I like the idea.
You could also start hostilities towards the Unioners, as they are more greedy pirates rather than revolutionaries, and if you still keep the 'protector of the people' trait, being unriendly to them would suit you well.

That is actually a good idea! Solves the PvPless problem, as well as completely shaking up Rheinland into more activity! Currently its just Pro government, anti government. Something like that would add many more dynamics to the stale Rheinland we have now.
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Offline Sturmwind
03-23-2011, 10:20 PM,
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' Wrote:1) What lawful activities would they partake in?
2) What unlawful activities would they partake in?
3) What would make the government overlook the unlawful activities?
4) What would their relations be with the Rhineland lawfuls?
5) What would their relations be with the Rhineland unlawfuls?
6) Why would this change bring in more activity to the faction?

If we take the nationalist radical approach...

1) Fighting leftist rebels; Red Hessians, SCRA, Unioners, maybe even the LWB.
Providing protection to in-House establishments, such as Rheinländer traders and workers.
2) Assault on foreign shipping and civilians, spouting propaganda.
3) Sympathy with the nationalist ideas and the possible share of profit (given how you can hear accusations of corruption in Rheinland almost as much as 'fascist' or 'oh, look a party!')
4) RFP / RM would overlook their activities, corporations would most likely support them with under the desk deals.
5) Hostile, maybe not to the LWB but otherwise hostile to everyone.
6) The Rheinland unlawful role play is seen as too homogeneous. You can do everything on a Hessian with better guns and a bigger ZoI which you can do on a Bundschuh.

Of course it requires further elaboration.
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