Behind Enemy Lines I: Rescue the stranded HMS-Argosax from the GRN

[Narendran87]

Got an reply? Actually speaking you should have spoke to us before posting this. I was going to make an event so we could have made one that could happen.

Edit: Creating Events does not matter. Its Participating in it and making it a success that matters.

[EvilSpok]

good lord cut the guy some slack

its just an excuse to have a little fun

which you naysayers seem incapable of doing

admiral...marshal..whatever
make a few minor changes to satisfy your nitpicking and have some fun eh?

otherwise make your own damn event

[Black Widow]

SO are the GRN| interested ?

[Aingar]

If you want my opinion, the whole abduction should be done by QCP, since it's kind of stuff they're good at, 2nd, anything bigger than a gunboat won't make it past T31/Edinburgh unnoticed iRP, just no way.

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[Dab]

I pm'd Dab

After this thread was created. But that's besides the point.

From a GRN perspective;
1.) No Marechal would travel outside of a battleship. And our battleships always travel with escorts.
2.) GRN watches the jumpholes to Sirius vigilantly. There are only two entrances into/out of Gallia. One is the minefield in Lorraine, the other is the minefield in Languedoc. Both are surrounded by minefields and guarded by heavily fortified bases which, in-roleplay, have a battlegroup operating with them to ensure border security. A lone battleship would get nowhere. Some fighters and bombers could probably make it through, by just running through and not fighting the defense forces. A battleship cannot do that, it'd get caught and pounced on.
3.) Blowing up a ship =/= capturing its VIP. When you blow up a ship, the passengers aboard die, unfortunately. You'd have to board the ship and take him. All the while slowing you down and keeping you in place while the fleet the liner called for help comes bearing down on you.
4.) Since Marechals only travel in their own battleships, not liners, a Valor can defeat a Dunkirk in a one-on-one fight. Oh, and again; they don't travel without escorts..
5.) We don't need Marechals from New Paris to provide a morale boost for our soldiers. If we needed morale boosts, we'd have the King make another transmission to his soldiers. Also, the Grande Marechal operates from the Front Lines.

From a BAF perspective;
1.) Why the hell is a Dunkirk captain taking his ship into Gallia without orders.
2.) Why the hell is a Dunkirk captain traveling around without escort.
3.) This event doesn't make sense with Bretonia's defensive strategy of delaying actions trying to keep GRN out of New London long enough for us to rebuild our navy and collect support from other groups.
4.) Why the hell is a Dunkirk captain taking his ship into Gallia without orders.

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[Black Widow]

After this thread was created. But that's besides the point.

From a GRN perspective;
1.) No Marechal would travel outside of a battleship. And our battleships always travel with escorts.

Fine, it does not have to be a Marechal it can be any old GRN VIP which could explain why they were travelling in a liner rather than an battleship, Especially since they were travelling behind gallic lines they must feel safe. Thus any GRN Convoy is open to attack!

2.) GRN watches the jumpholes to Sirius vigilantly. There are only two entrances into/out of Gallia. One is the minefield in Lorraine, the other is the minefield in Languedoc. Both are surrounded by minefields and guarded by heavily fortified bases which, in-roleplay, have a battlegroup operating with them to ensure border security. A lone battleship would get nowhere. Some fighters and bombers could probably make it through, by just running through and not fighting the defense forces. A battleship cannot do that, it'd get caught and pounced on.

All the holes in and out of gallia are being watched huh, hmm well this is not going to take place in gallia it will take place in orkney which is alot less secure. You see for everything inRP which you say is impossible to do there is something else inRP which can counter that. For e.g. you sat GRN monitor every Jumphole, well the HMS-Argosax being a experimental class of 'Dunkirk' type-571 Battleship carries a Jump Drive on board that allows the Argosax to jump from one system to another (which although it uses alot of fuel - enough for 1 Jump) allows it to jump without being detected as it does not use the jumpholes, that you say the GRN are watching.....

This mission is a simple hit and grab on some frog VIP in Orkney which goes wrong, GRN are trying to get the VIP back after which they will then destroy the Argosax and the BAF come and try to rescue the Argosax who the GRN are holding Hostage.

3.) Blowing up a ship =/= capturing its VIP. When you blow up a ship, the passengers aboard die, unfortunately. You'd have to board the ship and take him. All the while slowing you down and keeping you in place while the fleet the liner called for help comes bearing down on you.

Some how the Liner gets badly damaged and the Argosax threatens to kill everyone on board if they dont hand over the VIP, frogs get scared and hand him over. Problem Solved

4.) Since Marechals only travel in their own battleships, not liners, a Valor can defeat a Dunkirk in a one-on-one fight. Oh, and again; they don't travel without escorts..

I have personally taken down 5 GRN Valors in my Dunkirk all by myself, which I can prove so I dont know what Dunkirks you have been fightin but it werent me. So that statement is not entirely true!

5.) We don't need Marechals from New Paris to provide a morale boost for our soldiers. If we needed morale boosts, we'd have the King make another transmission to his soldiers. Also, the Grande Marechal operates from the Front Lines.

Troops always need support, whether its from their leader or from some dancing girls flown in specially to entertain the troops. Sometimes a transmission from the king is not always enough

From a BAF perspective;

1.) Why the hell is a Dunkirk captain taking his ship into Gallia without orders.

If you read the RP of the 13th Fleet: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?...pic=117710 you will clearly understand, why we operate where we do. The 13th take orders from me and no else apart from those shadows within the Bretonian Government who we are the brain child of.

2.) Why the hell is a Dunkirk captain traveling around without escort.

The 13th Fleet are a small detachment of the BAF working independently of the BAF| and BRF main fleets, operating behind enemy lines engaging in dangerous missions for Recon and Hunting purposes we have spies in the GRN. When intel about new GRN Warships funnels through that they maybe headed to bretonia we intercept said ships and destroy them before they even reach bretonia. I have personally been involved in the interception and destruction of 8 Valor Battleships everywhere from Orkney right down to Leeds. We have discovered them sometimes with escorts mostly alone and all fell to HM Guns.

Captains of the 13th are suicidal and will send their crews to their deaths if it meant stopping just one more Valor by ramming its engines with their own ship. Thats what sets us apart from the rest we will do anything to get the job done. Anything to save bretonia from the fall, thats why a Dunkirk would travel to enemy territory without an escort. We are not their to be escorted we are their to infiltrate, track and destroy all targets of oppurtunity. Even if we must die then we shall.

3.) This event doesn't make sense with Bretonia's defensive strategy of delaying actions trying to keep GRN out of New London long enough for us to rebuild our navy and collect support from other groups.

World War 2 was not won defensively it was won Offensively on both the Frontline and behind enemy lines, Sabotage, Assaination and Suicide Missions were what won WW2 not sitting back and waiting for the Nazis to cross the English Channel, and many lost their lives engaging in these missions some of whom will remain a mystery forever.
The 13th Fleet operates on the same principles.

Now since your the leader of both the GRN| and the BAF| why dont you jump onboard and support this Hostage / Rescue attempt event. Because clearly for evey hole anyone picks at this event I can counter pick it!

[Narendran87]

I think you missed a point GRAND MARSHAL OPERATES FROM THE FRONT LINES. She is sic and why do you need anyother man to come and support our troops?

And BAF is one force with dab as head. There's no independently working DUNRIKS. Why would the BAF handle their scarce BSes to persons working independently? you still work under BAF's command and should not try to separate yourself from them.... How about a US carrier working independently taking out other ships at their will with no order from the pentagon? Try to be rational. It may have you as Commander. That doesnt mean you have to offend Bretonia's Lore by that. And WHY WOULD YOU WANT AN OLD VIP ? HE IS NOT OF USE TO US AND WILL BE VERY OUTDATED ON THE FLEET. why would you want to kidnap a person like that. For giving speeches that raise morale ?

And lastly there wont be a BAF rescue attempt for an Dunrik captained by a foolish and rogue captain.

[Narendran87]

This is a purely an guerilla mission possible only for snubs. Dont go with Caps. No one would commission especially bretonia in its defensive strategy.

[Black Widow]

I think you missed a point GRAND MARSHAL OPERATES FROM THE FRONT LINES. She is sic and why do you need any other man to come and support our troops?

There a million different RP reasons why a GRN Delegate would come to "Visit" the troops, the Kusari emperor was visiting KNF Troops in tau 31 to provide support when the frogs rolled in. Thats a perfect example

And BAF is one force with dab as head. There's no independently working DUNRIKS. Why would the BAF handle their scarce BSes to persons working independently? you still work under BAF's command and should not try to separate yourself from them.... How about a US carrier working independently taking out other ships at their will with no order from the pentagon?

13th Fleet reports directly to the bretonian government and not to the BAF|, we have in fact had much praise from BAF| sic Admiral Firmus Piett for our efforts.

Captain of the HMS-Argosax, I am happy to hear such good news about the progress of the 13th northern squad

Yours Admiral Sir Firmus Piett
Second in Command of the Armed Forces

And lastly there wont be a BAF rescue attempt for an Dunrik captained by a foolish and rogue captain.

Yes there will be a rescue attempt with or without the help of the BAF|, you were quite keen on skype to support this event. Dont backtrack on your remarks and Troll it now!

[Narendran87]

Just one Sentence. Convince Dab.