Zoner 5kers and POBs

[Zen_Mechanics]

zoner 5k cannot dock in house space, does not matter what kind of station or base

Cannot dock in house space, except aomori, hood etc and *zoner bases*.
I don't see any reason why not if the base is a zoner base ( even though its within house space the ID allows docking on zoner bases ).

Firstly: GRAVE DIG LOLOZLOZLZOZLOZLZ ALL TAKE YOUR SHOVELS~~!!!


Second: It's too abusable, zoner NPC stations are placed where they are for a reason, and Zoners can't dock on even Zoner owned PoBs to prevent said abuse.

There is no abuse since zoners cannot dock in house space anyway. Building a zoner base in house-space is legal ( no restrictions for pobs ), and if it's a zoner base, a zoner can land because the ID allows it ( and it doesn't abuse the game mechanics because zoners still can't dock on none-zoner bases, i.e "Planet Honshu") Don't blame me, its right there in the black & white "Cannot dock cruisers, battleships, or transports with more than 3,600 cargo within House Space, except Aomori Station, the Battleship Hood and Zoner bases".
Lemme give you an example, I'll go slap a base above planet new-tokyo, I'll make it a zoner pob ( that is if the KNF approves it, but lets say they do ) does it allows me to dock on the planet? no, that planet is not a zoner planet, but the base i've built is, Do It will be abuse If the admins go anti-clockwise and decide that zoners can dock in new-tokyo.

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[Pancakes]

zoner 5k cannot dock in house space, does not matter what kind of station or base

Cannot dock in house space, except aomori, hood etc and *zoner bases*.
I don't see any reason why not if the base is a zoner base ( even though its within house space the ID allows docking on zoner bases ).

Firstly: GRAVE DIG LOLOZLOZLZOZLOZLZ ALL TAKE YOUR SHOVELS~~!!!


Second: It's too abusable, zoner NPC stations are placed where they are for a reason, and Zoners can't dock on even Zoner owned PoBs to prevent said abuse.

There is no abuse since zoners cannot dock in house space anyway. Building a zoner base in house-space is legal ( no restrictions for pobs ), and if it's a zoner base, a zoner can land because the ID allows it ( and it doesn't abuse the game mechanics because zoners still can't dock on none-zoner bases, i.e "Planet Honshu") Don't blame me, its right there in the black & white "Cannot dock cruisers, battleships, or transports with more than 3,600 cargo within House Space, except Aomori Station, the Battleship Hood and Zoner bases".
Lemme give you an example, I'll go slap a base above planet new-tokyo, I'll make it a zoner pob ( that is if the KNF approves it, but lets say they do ) does it allows me to dock on the planet? no, that planet is not a zoner planet, but the base i've built is, Do It will be abuse If the admins go anti-clockwise and decide that zoners can dock in new-tokyo.

No it is abusable. Since then Zoners would just drop all the stuff they move with their neutrality at those bases, then later log a corp 5ker and move all the goods back to the base where it is sold.

Lets take your example. Zoners will drop Uncut diamonds that they gained from Hessians, having neutrality with everyone on the way and being able to pass through unhindered. They drop the uncuts at the PoB that flies above NT, then they take a Samura transport and move all the diamonds from the PoB to the IC station.

It's a beat-the-purpose on the Zoner's ID restriction.

What you didn't gather right from my post is what I meant about the bases. Zoner NPC bases are placed in such a manner that will balance out with the restriction, otherwise it wouldn't have much of a point if you'd have a zoner base in each house system, would it?

PoBs aren't meant to break said balance, simply put.

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[Lusitano]

except if you are a OSI ... i mean ... they still Zoners right?!!

i remember the old Zoner Guard ID, can not dock on house space except Aomori and IMG bases!! On 4.86 they remove the IMG except the Hood!! Why?!! I don't know why there is still the Hood, but i bet i know why they remove mainly the docking on South Shields Refinery.. He3 right? Now is the second best price but before was the best place to sell. 5ks transport with no IFF and one IC iD full of He3 is good, like i saw many, but a Zoner ID ZBT is bad!!!

So one ZBT, except the OSI, can't land on one player base with Zoner IFF, on house space, and since there is any Zoner base on house space, so why there is that part of the ID that says "cannot dock in house space, except aomori, hood and zoner bases"?

Also one thing ... Penn system is not house space. You can land even a battleship on any base and that will not be against the rules, you just have to explain, if you are caught by Liberty Navy, waht are you doing there with a bs and why you crossed their space!!

And so if the the Zoners want to be away from houses, why the OSI can land the ZBT on house space?!!!

[Pancakes]

except if you are a OSI ... i mean ... they still Zoners right?!!

i remember the old Zoner Guard ID, can not dock on house space except Aomori and IMG bases!! On 4.86 they remove the IMG except the Hood!! Why?!! I don't know why there is still the Hood, but i bet i know why they remove mainly the docking on South Shields Refinery.. He3 right? Now is the second best price but before was the best place to sell. 5ks transport with no IFF and one IC iD full of He3 is good, like i saw many, but a Zoner ID ZBT is bad!!!

So one ZBT, except the OSI, can't land on one player base with Zoner IFF, on house space, and since there is any Zoner base on house space, so why there is that part of the ID that says "cannot dock in house space, except aomori, hood and zoner bases"?

Also one thing ... Penn system is not house space. You can land even a battleship on any base and that will not be against the rules, you just have to explain, if you are caught by Liberty Navy, waht are you doing there with a bs and why you crossed their space!!

And so if the the Zoners want to be away from houses, why the OSI can land the ZBT on house space?!!!

OSI can't land anywhere, so cut if off. They are basically outlawed in Rheinland as a whole. Having your own ID making your own diplomacy has it's advantages and disadvantages (they also gave up the possibility to fly Zoner caps too), since your very ID rephacks can be altered by other factions that might not like you (like the Rheinland lawfuls)

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[Lusitano]

http://discoverygc.com/wiki/ID
I know that my english is bad but i think is good enough to read that part "Can dock all transports in house space, including the Zoner Whale. "
They are outlaw on Rheinland by RP not server rules, and we are talking about server rules [/align].

[Duvelske]

Lemme give you an example, I'll go slap a base above planet new-tokyo, I'll make it a zoner pob ( that is if the KNF approves it, but lets say they do ) does it allows me to dock on the planet? no, that planet is not a zoner planet, but the base i've built is, Do It will be abuse If the admins go anti-clockwise and decide that zoners can dock in new-tokyo.

No admins decided that ZONERS may NOT dock in house space. POB are not an exeption inRP if i remember correctly it was that the whale was incompatible with the mooring rings within house space. (or something like that)

Now i think this question is answered several times now. i think its time for the LOCK

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[ryoken]

I will give an easy answer that will just require some foot work.
Look in sanctions back a ways. There is from my memory 3 sanctions on whales that landed in house space on a POB. In 1 the Admin stated that the rep of base means nothing, as POBs have no tags, and as such players can just say it is a Zoner base. Admins cannot confirm or deny its rep.
So NO! cannot dock at POBs even if run by zoners.

PS. I am not giving the link, as I am not looking for the posts for those to lazy to do it them selves.

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[Huhuh]

Why are Zoners putting bases in house space? That's completely against the idea of the Zoners.

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[tothebonezone]

OSI can't land anywhere, so cut if off. They are basically outlawed in Rheinland as a whole.

Two things here.

1) Their ID states they can land 5k transports in house territory. They can land anywhere within the rules, not diplomacy.
2) Rheinland has outlawed EVERYONE as a whole. Go ahead, come in as anyone not Kusari, which even then is questionable. Moot arguement.

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[Thyrzul]

Questions been answered, so what is the point of this thread now?

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