Who can use civilian guns?

[mjolnir]

One transport... well I still see Freelancers with Adv. Debs landing on Crete/Malta continuously as a much better reason.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Zeltak]

well I still see Freelancers with Adv. Debs landing on Crete/Malta continuously as a much better reason.

Reasonable argument too.

One transport...

But about the one transport. They mention "guns in excess". One mere transport can have about 3000 cargo space if not more. Imagine then a Ageira trader that's stocked up with guns. It's quiet alot of guns. They can also research the guns themselves now that they have their hands on it.

Edit: Also, this is just one news report about one transport. That dosen't mean they just did it once...

[AdamantineFist]

Well, I think that it's perfectly reasonable to mount Debilitators. I mean, you can just as easily (well, perhaps not easily) get them off Freelancers.

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[sovereign]

*ahem*

Bundschuh. Are. Not. Aligned. To. Either. Outcasts. Or. Corsairs.


If Xenos get them because of combat necessity, nothing else is in RP, and the ability to steal them in RP, so do we. Seriously, we have enough political supporters within the companies that sell them (like Daumann, who sells them right outside the back door to Bruschal) that we can get them as fine and dandy as the Xenos can. If Xenos can get them and Bundschuh can't, I will be severely disappointed in the admin team.

Corsairs and allies should use Corsair shieldbusters. Even if there is no level 8.

Outcasts and allies should use Infernos, unless the slot is already used, in which case either use civvies (if the admin team is okay with that) or make do without it. They have two exceptionally awesome class 9 weapons, live with it if you have to.

Anyone not aligned should be able to use them out of necessity, but must provide some sort of RP for it if asked. No problems there, right?






Side note about Bundschuh- it doesn't help that our class 9 guns are junk for no adequately explained reason (why no copy of Wyrm 2? Why, Igiss, why don't you love us?) and the only other weapons we can use in RP barely scratch the graviton shields so whored. If we can't use shieldbusters, then if we don't out-skill our enemies like the RM and Phantoms out-skill your average battleship pilot (not bloody likely since our enemies include the RM...) then it is impossible to win. Don't say bring more forces, we're supposed to be horribly outnumbered in RP. So if we get no shieldbusters, then it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to win in RP. And that's just being an arse of an admin/developer who hates Bundschuh for some reason. Not cool, and I don't believe any of y'all would sink that low.

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[Zeltak]

Edit: withdrawal of opinion after reading Dab's post.

[Dab]

CP-m "Debilitator" Civilian Improved Pulse Cannon

Locations:
Planet Leeds - Bretonian Police Authority
Leiden Base - Lane Hackers
Osaka Storage Facility - Samura
Pueblo Station - Ageira
Planet Holstein - Daumann

BPA - Corsairs: Hostile
Lane Hackers - Corsairs: Hostile
Samura - Corsairs: Hostile
Ageira - Corsairs: Hostile
Daumann - Corsairs: Hostile

Lane Hackers - Outcasts: Allied

So can Corsairs use a weapon sold only on hostile bases? No. Whether its civilian or not, the Corsairs cannot gain access to it. Any place that would sell it would fire upon you as soon as they saw you. Civilian doesn't mean a free pass, you are still restricted by whom you can acquire it from. Lane Hackers sell this weapon.. Outcasts and all their allies are also allied/friendly with the Lane Hackers, who would gladly sell a weapon to help against the Corsairs. Outcasts and their allies have full access to it, so long as its purchased from Leiden Base.

Also, that raid on Detroit.. Well Detroit Munitions does NOT sell Imp. Debs. Adv. Debs yes, but its still no excuse.. Xenos are hostile to Corsairs as well, so they wouldn't be selling them to you. That news only gives XENOS access to Adv. Debilitators if they want them.

And global, doing that might annoy the admins when you send in reports that have no basis.. Armor Upgrade VIIIs are sold on Planet Gran Canaria, so anyone may purchase those, unless your Nomad, who have their own on their bases.
For capital armors;

VII - Lanzarote Station - Zoner: Available to all
VIII - Palermo - Outcast: Available to Outcasts and allies
VIII - Freeport 2 - Zoner: Available to all

As you can see, you can't get anyone sanctioned for any armor upgrade, no matter their status with the Order.. Just because Order makes them doesn't mean anything. They sell it out like crazy, especially to the Zoners. From those Zoners, anyone may purchase it. However, Adv. Debilitators and Imp. Debs are NOT sold from any base that is anything but hostile to the Corsairs.

Also, the Arwing. So enemies can't see where you shoot.. So? That would seem you help YOU, not your enemy, so what is the problem with using an RP ship, really? You guys argued about AW using Taiiden bombers.. They are sold on a Zoner Freeport are they not? ZONER station, whom we are affiliated with? Meanwhile your using IMG ships.. Are you going to trade out your Lunchboxes for IMG Gunboats and your Titans for Vipers now?

@Mjolner; Okay, so you don't have a level 8 shieldbuster.. Well your LFs have class 9 slots do they not? And you DO have class 9 shieldbusters that work perfectly fine. As far as I can see, the only reason you do not use Tizonas on your light fighters is so you can have more powerful hull-hitting weaponry. Once again, winning comes ahead of the RolePlay that supports it. I think I'm gonna go over there with JihadJoe now.

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[Jihadjoe]

My my. Isn't this potato a little warm. I think I'm just gunna pass on this, unless someone says something REALLY stupid.

Actualy I do have something to say...

Corsairs have their own shieldbusters. Use them, perhaps give them a lvl 8 gun in next mod. Just to stop this from happening.

Arwing is buggy as hell, tigershark is oorp as hell, dunno which is worse to be honst... heh, to be honest - TBH... lol.

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[McNeo]

If winning came over RP, we would've been using the Arwing since day one.

But we think its unfair if you cant see our loadouts, our shots, our missiles, your missile warning aswell.

Dont be condecending about our use of the Titan or the Lunchbox either, you know very well the answer to that.

On most other points, we are willing to make concessions.

Not on this one though.

This is ridiculous to confine the Corsairs to equipment which is severly substandard for the job it needs to fulfill, especially on a light fighter. We already have much less equipment to chose from than those on the other side of the fence.

And what about the SA and Co. using Bounty Hunter weapons because theirs are rubbish? This is the same case is it not? But yet, as usual, Corsairs feel the burn while others get off scot free.

Corsairs try to win using what we can find under all the restrictions that have been put on us. Then every one else comes back and changes the rules slightly so we are at the bottom again. Every time we work our way up to something that starts to work, we get shunted down to the bottom. There was no problem when we were losing, but as soon as we start to win something through putting in effort and training, we get danced on by sanction reports.

Ever wonder why Corsairs have the larger skillbase? Because we are forced to train using weapons and ships we otherwise wouldnt choose to achieve our goals. We lose at first, but we get on with it and improve. Ive seen Globalo, Sephardi, Razr, ImRdy, Majkp and myself go through this process time and again.

I've now been through it three times and I am getting sick of it. Its a neverending cycle. As soon as I start to win, something changes and it suddenly becomes ooRP or overpowered. Only after we win, never before.

[globalplayer-svk]

dab can be used weapons from destroyed enemies? i think all say yes. how much freelancers with debilitators come to gamma everyday? 100? (and sometime they drop them when you kill them. )thats one thing other thing is this: /taken from AFA diplomacy)

Diplomacy
Allied: NLH, BDS
Arms Deal: TBH

and dab, you will scream that its fair when invisible cannonball hit your ship ? how long you will say that it is ok?
and samura is enemy to farmer alliance? i think no.
and currently we are talking about 8 or 10 guns from all TBH ships. only LF have them. all our titans have tizonas.So you think is so big problem to collect 10 guns?

edit: will be all other people as corsairs or allies( farmer alliance,hogosha and order) sanctioned for using tizonas??? you know what happend when i say how is possible that novapg use tizonas? answer was we have them from corsair npc. which is ok,is that way how to collect them. so noone say nothing. and then will be all mercenaries,freelancers,and militaries sanctioned for using guns,that in rp corsairs dont sell them ?

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[Jihadjoe]

We have a new mod coming out soon I hope both the corsair LF's are fixed in that. That should solve all the problems, till then I would like it just to not be used that much. Thats all. (I find it easier to hit and kill arwings that tigersharks)

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