Farmers Alliance and Kusari Naval Forces ID's

[Akumabito]

According to the FA and their friends in Samura/the government (not and, /, they are effectively the same) non-Kusari are 'criminals' and need to be removed. The government is totally fine with the FA getting foreigners to leave, they'll put on a show that they don't support the FA but they really appreciate them. Notice that the KNF and KSP NEVER offer missions against Hogosha/FA.

That's fine, but on one hand the FA are pirating and murdering people (and I'm sure there are plenty of kusari citizens that are independent traders), on the other they are under KNF protection to the point where the KNF will fight to protect them, and it isn't secret, it's blatant and open.

Also they target the diamond run, why? Because it's a good run to pirate, but in reality the FA are concerned with imported food, not diamonds and niobium, so the "protecting the diamond market on New Berlin" seems shaky at best.

If the government is putting on a "show that they don't support the FA" why do they openly protect them with military force? This is way beyond turning a blind eye.


And on a server rule basis, getting all the benefits of both a pirate ID and a Lawful ID is kinda like mounting corsair shield busters on a outcast ship.

[globalplayer-svk]

why diamond run ? because lot of FOREIGN traders with their FOREIGN diamonds try to destabilize diamond market on new tokyo. too much diamonds. prices go down, etc. (and no its not good run for pirating, its good run for power trading to buy big battleships ..... )

and as typed above, farmers are not pirates, they are something as radicals. they try to have kusari clean from all foreign. and from criminals. and kusari citizens being traders. afa never pirate someone with hogosha or samura tag or in kusari ship ....

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[song]

I lived in Japan and its the double standard.

Law abiding people but loyal to their own.

If a Japanese commits a small crime against a foreigner with no witnesses, its often "tough luck".

If a foreigner does the same its, pay, go to jail or leave the country.

The Kusari are a hybrid of "old Japan" (feudal and pre-WWII with a dash of post WWII) with high nationalism, distaste towards foreigners (gaijin) and a shameless willingness to promote their own self interest (not the Bretonia conflict).

Much more fun to play this way in my opinion and neat the modders picked up on it.

I'm Hogosha--not a Farmer--but my info card says "quasi lawful" and I can ally with local forces in some situations--interdicting cardamine or contraband for example or repulsing Golden Chrysanthemum, Dragon or outcast incursions. My smuggling is "tolerated" as per the "Kusari Legal Codex.

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[Akumabito]

why diamond run ? because lot of FOREIGN traders with their FOREIGN diamonds try to destabilize diamond market on new tokyo. too much diamonds.

But that has zero to do with the FA's concerns, the FA are farmers concerned with foriegn food suppliers undercutting them.

The concern over the diamand market seems really oorp.

and as typed above, farmers are not pirates, they are something as radicals.

But they have a pirate ID, and they are not playing the ID restrictions as per the rules.

they try to have kusari clean from all foreign. and from criminals. and kusari citizens being traders. afa never pirate someone with hogosha or samura tag or in kusari ship ....

Someone in an advanced train with a generic trader ID could also be a kusari citizen, I have never seen you guys ask first.

And back to the point, if the AFA is supposed to be a farmers union operating in the grey area's at best, and terrorists at worse, that fine, but on the server they don't do that, they play like the KNF, you rarely see the KNF fight without the AFA or vica versa, plus they occasionally pirate, and they pirate ships that have nothing to do with the concern of synth foods flooding kusari with cheap food and undercutting the local farmers, they pirate the diamond trade instead which isn't a farmers concern.

The KNF works for Samura, and while the FA's attacks on Synth Foods helps Samura's own genetically modified food program, the FA is still a danger to Samura in the long run, so it makes no sense for the relationship to be so openly blatant and mutually supportive. If that's the case the FA basically ceases to exist and is no different from the KNF.

It seems oorp to me.

[sovereign]

Okay, it seems ooRP to you. Next time you see it, report it. See what comes of it.

Listen, the Farmer's Alliance is the backstory. The REAL purpose behind them, as determined by Samura, who funds, controls, hires, protects, and helps them, is to destroy any and all competition to Samura. Read the rumors, the Hogosha are there for a similar purpose too. They NEVER attack Samura or local law enforcement, and try to "play nice" when the KSP or KNF are watching- as soon as they aren't, though, they will return to rampaging through any non-Samura commercial activity, be it Synth Foods, Kishiro Technologies, or the random person with an Advanced Train. They really don't care, they're all outsiders and Samura is paying them to get rid of them.

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[Akumabito]

Okay, it seems ooRP to you. Next time you see it, report it. See what comes of it.

So anything reported that isn't acted upon is in RP?

It's not that the KNF is watching, it's that for all intents and purposes there is no difference between the AFA and the KNF except for the pirating, which is rare. Most of the time you could take that AFA off and slap KNF on there and nothing would change.

However the ID says in no uncertain terms that they can't join the KNF in battles, because they are not allowed to join lawfuls.

So do these ID restrictions count as rules or are they just something to find loopholes through?

[Guest]

Rules are to be interpreted using common sense, surprise surprise.
You have already been told the modding team is fixing the error on the ID inforcard. I think there is nothing else to say on this ID/Rules issue.

AFA/KNF behaviour however, is open to discussion I believe.
As Farmers, before being pirates who have embraced weapons for a cause, they are Kusari Citizens, they will not just stand aside when the security of our empire is at risk.
As they have not received the training KNF pilots receive, they should be less effective when fighting and eventually retreating when things go worse.
They are farmers after all...

I agree that recently AFA reports are sounding too much like KNF ones, it would be great if this could change.

[Akumabito]

Funny, I though the rules actually meant what they said, instead of being selectively enforced and therefore basically meaningless in and of themselves.

Common sense would now dictate that the AFA determine if a trader is a kusari citizen before they pirate them, right? There's no reason a kusari citizen can't have a trader ID and an advanced train, right?

[Guest]

Yes, Trader ID does not necessary mean Gaijin, I agree here.
Having a transponder name sounding Kusari-like might help the trader not to fall in ambiguos circumstances.

[mjolnir]

Funny, I though the rules actually meant what they said, instead of being selectively enforced and therefore basically meaningless in and of themselves.

Common sense would now dictate that the AFA determine if a trader is a kusari citizen before they pirate them, right? There's no reason a kusari citizen can't have a trader ID and an advanced train, right?

Uhh... anyone can say they are kusari citizen just to escape.. now way to tell he is unless:

- he has Kusari company ID
- he has Kusari company Tag
- he flies Kusari ship, or generic at least ( Tanker, Container trans, Trains and normal transports are considered generic, Whale, Big Dragon, Bumbelee are Kusarian)
- he has kusarian name

I would say at least two or all? of the above.

Meeting Trader IDed, Adv. Train without tag, named John[T], no farmer will ever belive him he is kusarian.

I would go as far as to say that it's the ID that should count most here.

EDIT: This comes from the simple fact that 90%++ of all traders around have Trader ID. If it was the other way - 90% had company ID, the Trader one would not have been so frowned upon.

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