Indies VS. Capships.

[Akumabito]

Who says there can't be bullying in-RP?

The oorp is when a player, with no consensual rp, is declared a traitor for the sole purpose of pvp whoring him.

If that's allowed than the pvp whoring will never stop, because any pvp whore can call any other ship nomad infested and attack it using the same "rp".

[Tenacity]

The oorp is when a player, with no consensual rp, is declared a traitor for the sole purpose of pvp whoring him.

If that's allowed than the pvp whoring will never stop, because any pvp whore can call any other ship nomad infested and attack it using the same "rp".

if you come along and buy an order osiris-class battleship without black squadrons permission, and without even contacting them to ask for that permission, you'll be declared either a traitor or a thief, and you'll be shot down.

The same goes for all other major factions.

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[Taffic]

Is anyone thinking

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[chovynz]

Akum You are talking about rights.
This is not a game with rights.
There are people here who do not
come from the same country as you
who do not think like you do.
You cannot bring "Rights" into it.
Thats just stupid and trolling.

This has nothing at all to do with "rights"

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Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.

[Tenacity]

Akum You are talking about rights.
This is not a game with rights.
There are people here who do not
come from the same country as you
who do not think like you do.
You cannot bring "Rights" into it.
Thats just stupid and trolling.

This has nothing at all to do with "rights"

exactly, and no military gives some civilian the right to come along and buy a battleship.

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[Akumabito]

if you come along and buy an order osiris-class battleship without black squadrons permission, and without even contacting them to ask for that permission, you'll be declared either a traitor or a thief, and you'll be shot down.

The same goes for all other major factions.

And that isn't rp, it's pvp whoring.

[timmychen]

Akum You are talking about rights.
This is not a game with rights.
There are people here who do not
come from the same country as you
who do not think like you do.
You cannot bring "Rights" into it.
Thats just stupid and trolling.

This has nothing at all to do with "rights"

It's like a poem! *fawns*

[Akumabito]

Akum You are talking about rights.
This is not a game with rights.
There are people here who do not
come from the same country as you
who do not think like you do.
You cannot bring "Rights" into it.
Thats just stupid and trolling.

This has nothing at all to do with "rights"

So you are saying the factions do not have "rights" to control the ships that are under the ID they use, or to make indies register, or to oorp pvp whore?

So basically you agree with me!

[globalplayer-svk]

Not sure what thread this came from.. But here goes;

Personally, I like what 101st is doing with the indie capships. (This isn't biased, ask Eppy. If I think he is being stupid about something, I tell him he is being stupid about something..) They have indies registered and tell them a few guidelines.. Like not taking their OC destroyers in NY to pvp whore..

However, what TBH and OPG are doing (and kudos to Benitez for not agreeing with it) I don't like. They are doing the same thing, AND telling the indie capships that they are under the faction's control.. That is not right at all, especially with an organization like the Corsairs. If it were a government with a paid military like the KNF, BAF, etc it'd be alright.. But TBH and OPG want full control over the independents, which is completely contradictory to the definition of independent.. I know this phrase has been used too much in the past, but it is perfect for here. This is Freelancer, not factionlancer. Register indie capships, yes. Tell them what they are not allowed to do, yes. Tell them what they have to do and treat them like the faction's slaves, hell no.

As long as an indie follows the guidelines (good examples; Staying out of NY, unless they have good reason, not pvp-whoring, protecting Malta/Crete from hostiles) he should be allowed to do what he wants, not what the factions say they should do. The TBH/OPG elders seem to think they are above and beyond the rest of the Corsairs.. They aren't. They have no real authority over the independent Corsairs, only the ones in their faction. They can try to enforce it through military means against fellow Corsairs.. But thats it. There is no rule that an independent has to listen to a faction leader. And I highly doubt there will ever be one.

Many people complain about indies and indie capwhores. Well the factions aren't really any better in many cases.. TBH has definitely cut down on their capship usage.. OPG needs a little more work in that area.. However, they still overuse their capships. I see as many faction Praefects as I do indie Praefects.. And definitely more dreadnaughts from the factions, and those dreadnaughts are used a LOT. I've seen them brought out to kill 1-2 fighters before.. Why? A faction can easily bring out a couple of its own fighters, or at least gunboats, but they pull out battleships..

If an indie doesn't want to register his ship, he doesn't have to, and there is nothing the faction can do about it other than shoot him.

so Dab. outcast make something it is good. corsair make the same and it is not good. when outcast indie refuse to register his ship, he is deaed, that is good. when the same make corsair indie, it is not good. that is your point ?
and you see as many faction praefects? TBh has 1 (Cazadora) OPG has maybe 2-3, i dont think that more. Benitez family has 1-2, so you will say that indie corsairs have together maximum 5 cruiser? Dab you are serious ????? i have screens somewhere with more indie cruisers as this number. and that is only singel screen ... i think that indies have together more as 20 cruisers (8 indies cruiser is now in register, that is only begining) .... and more dreadnoughts from factions ? when last time you see online Memoria from TBH ? that ship is online 1 time evey month. to prevend deleting. Benitez family dreadnought was not in space long time too. and OPG torquemada? maybe it is in space more times in week. but more as indies? Dab please stop typing things as this ....

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[Tenacity]

And that isn't rp, it's pvp whoring.

exactly, and no military gives some civilian the right to come along and buy a battleship.

Read before you post.

It isnt pvp whoring. You showed up out of nowhere and acquired a very expensive, very large military vessel that you had no permission whatsoever to use.

You know who's in charge of those ships? Commanders, Generals, Admirals, Fleet Admirals... the highest ranks in any military organization. When you come along and try to buy one without any RP background, or any consent from the owning faction, you're basically saying "hey, I got promoted from worthless civilian to fleet admiral in 30 seconds! lawlz!"

My character, Aki Kimura, has an entire biography, background, and story written on how I came to be where I'm at. I use a zoner destroyer flying under the order - but even then my portrayed character is -second in command- of the ship. I also follow the rules and guidelines set forth by black squadron, as well as follow their orders, because they were granted permission by admins to have control over the order as a whole.

I'm sorry, but all you're doing is bitching and whining that it isnt fair because you want a battleship without having to work for it. I'm sorry, that's not how this server does things. If you come along and try to obtain a ship you shouldnt have access to without asking first, you are going to be listed as kill-on-sight by the faction that owns the rights to that ship.

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