Zoner RP Solutions

[Benjamin]

Basically agree with Tigh a lot here. Vanilla Zoners and Disco Zoners are completely different, and Disco Zoners are dumb and awful because they're so massively inconsistent with themselves. This stuff needs to be looked over. Gaians too, have changed a load since Vanilla and their faction no longer makes sense. I wonder if there's any more.

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[globalplayer-svk]

So,basically, few people will have war with zoners at all costs.but think about it. When bretonia starts the war,you have zoners+unlawfulls+kusari as enemy.
When rheinland,then the same +liberty
the same for liberty and kusari.
And think someone here that he can bring stronger force as all the enemies togeyher when war starts???
And maybe some of you type that dont forget bounty hunters,i dont know,but they use zoners base much more as all others,so i dont think they will shoot on them

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[jammi]

So,basically, few people will have war with zoners at all costs.but think about it. When bretonia starts the war,you have zoners+unlawfulls+kusari as enemy.
When rheinland,then the same +liberty
the same for liberty and kusari.
And think someone here that he can bring stronger force as all the enemies togeyher when war starts???
And maybe some of you type that dont forget bounty hunters,i dont know,but they use zoners base much more as all others,so i dont think they will shoot on them

Excuse me, but to put it shortly, what are you going on about? When was there any mention of Bretonia invading? The Privateers don't represent Bretonia - to use an example that maybe you'd understand, it'd be (vaguely) like when the HAF first arrived, when the rest of the Corsairs rejected them.

If the HAF had gone and attacked the Zoners, despite having nothing to do with the Corsairs themselves, it'd be like you crowing on about how the Corsairs as a whole had declared war on the Zoners, which would result in the opening of a sixth front which would result in the Corsairs being crushed like a bug flying into a truck's windscreen.

To be honest, your arguments are getting mighty old, mighty quick. Take your problems up with the Privateers, not Bretonia as a whole.

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[pbrione]

Look, I'm reluctant to even set foot in this thread again, but one thing really needs to be set straight. All this talk of "War with Zoners" and trying to compare the military force of Zoners to Houses doesn't even make sense.

According to almost all RP, there is no such thing as "The Zoners" as a unified political body. There is no "Zoner Fleet" none at all - none exists. There are individuals, who consider themselves culturally to be Zoners. Many of them own ships. A few of them even own large, capital ships. They live in various places across Sirius, on Freeports, some on Gran Canaria, some just in space on colony ships. This is why the Zoners are considered peaceful and neutral, because they don't exist as a unified political force. Sure, there a few groups of Zoners, such as the TAZ or the (|c|) which are a little more organised, but these are almost exclusively trade based organisations, not military ones. The TAZ doesn't even have ranks. Most zoners do not have ranks. The concept is abhorrent to their sense of liberty and equality.

Now, however, we have a Council of Zoners, and some people have unfortunately interpreted this as meaning the Zoners are now a unifed body ready to "take on" the other Houses diplomatically. I would disagree with this fundamentally; the Concil is, as far as I know, a deliberately weak body (in keeping with Zoner principles of decentralisation) that was created more for OORP than inRP reasons. InRP, I can see it acting a lot like the 19th Century German Confederation - basically a forum for discussion whilst all important decisions are taken by the individual member states - in this case groups like the TAZ or simply independent Zoners.

What the Council of Zoners does NOT do, is command a huge wtfpwn Grand Zoner Fleet. They have some warships to enforce no fire zones - good, so they should have. A small peacekeeping force. Out there, somewhere, are quite a few Zoner warships. They aren't grouped into fleets (after all, they've never had anyone to fight), they don't take orders from anyone, they look after their own interests. If the Council of Zoners were to "declare war on Bretonia" (which would be extremely unlikely), how many of these warships would turn up? Some, to be sure. Probably many, particularly those based far from Gran Canaria, would simply ignore the announcement and look after themselves. Nobody is going to order them to attack, as they aren't under anyone's command. The Council of Zoners exists because it respects the Zoners individual autonomy - try to force Zoners into warfleets and its authority would collapse. That's not to say Bretonia can neccsarily spare the resources to capture Gran Canaria. Perhaps they do, perhaps they don't; that is besides the point - Bretonia has no intention of capturing Gran Canaria by force as it would by both politically and militarily wasteful - this is what the Port Jackson agreement is for, to avoid such a need. Privateers =/= Bretonia. As for the Zoners going out and actually invading another House's sovereign space, however, please, it is completely absurd inRP, however many players may own Juggernaughts OORP.

So, please, just stop this discussion of Zoners vs Houses, because it is meaningless. Zoners are loosely-affiliated edge world traders with minimal organisation and central government, who should not, could not, be contemplating war with anyone.

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[globalplayer-svk]

jammi, read blunts posts... you find answer there...

and are notprivateers workign only on directorder from queen, or goverment?
because when not, and they maked something that bretonia goverment dont like, where they dock? zoners unfriendly, bretoniaunfriendly,mollies unfriendly....

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[pbrione]

globalplayer-svk, read my post right above you - you'll find your answer there : Bretonia has NO INTENTION of invading Omega 49 by force. I can tell you this with 100% certainty because, if it did, I would be the one ordering the invasion. I am not doing so. Observe me very obviously not doing so. Have you seen a "Bretonia declares war on Zoners" thread? No. Have you seen a "BAF mobilises reserves in Dublin for assault on Omega 49" thread? No. Have you, in fact, seen ANYTHING at all from the official Bretonian playerbase outside of the QCP that in any way indicates a looming war with Zoners? No, no and no.

Blunt may be ordering his privateers to attack Omega 49; well, so be it. The privateers have not, nor ever shall they, control, influence or reflect in any way the diplomacy of the BAF or the Bretonian Government. Until everyone realises this fact, further discussion on this issue is futile. The QCP take orders from Andrew Stuart, not the BAF Admiralty. I am NOT, and I want to make this crystal clear, NOT responsible for the actions of the privateers either OORP or inRP. And I should know...

/endrant

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<span style="color:#000066">Charles Canning </span><span style="color:#000066"> Foreign Secretary</span>

[jammi]

jammi, read blunts posts... you find answer there...

and are notprivateers workign only on directorder from queen, or goverment?
because when not, and they maked something that bretonia goverment dont like, where they dock? zoners unfriendly, bretoniaunfriendly,mollies unfriendly....

Uh... You really are oblivious to political intrigue and the latest events of the forums... If you actually need to be pointed in the right direction, see here.

And as ever, LeMatire is right in every aspect.

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[globalplayer-svk]

Lemaitre so are not qcp actimg on dorect order of the breonia queen or govement?

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[pbrione]

No.

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Sir Stanley Nelson




<span style="color:#000066">Charles Canning </span><span style="color:#000066"> Foreign Secretary</span>

[Janus]

To save LeMaitre banging his head on the nearest Whale bulkhead.

The BAF, The Crown, The People of Bretonia etc etc are not responsible for the actions of the Privateers.