Quote:So basically, what you're saying is, because of the actions of certain individuals, all Liberty pilots (and dont take that lightly, that means every indie, the LSF, LPI, and the LN) are PvP whores?
.. I didn't use those words, no.
.. I'd actually say it's more a matter in player taste n' stuff. Some people enjoy PvP and that's just the way of things, I've been in LSF and I know what they do - they PvP all day long, generally. That isn't to say they're bad roleplayers or anything since they are roleplaying by doing that, it's just the current generation of Liberty forces isn't what it used to be.
.. Back when the Slaver's Union was around for example, you didn't have Liberty Gunboats chasing you for three systems all because you had a few Bounty Hunters in your cargohold. Even Bounty Hunters didn't usually care aslong as you weren't actually carrying Bounty Hunters.
Nowadays, you get chased down by a squadron of Fighters and Bombers because you have Hessians or Corsairs in your cargohold. You get caught hauling Cardamine and the lawful forces are going to kill you period. Currently you're basically treated as hostile when in Liberty as a Junker, the LSF and LN camps Rochester often since they're so eager to stop you from destroying the universe by smuggling counterfeit software.
It's not a matter of good or bad RP or even PvP whoring, it's a matter of, "Well, everyone's treating me like an enemy.."
The facts of the event were... Myself, Maverick and Dart were RPing rowdy Junkers. LN and all their Mercenary/ Bounty Hunter buddies scanned us and ordered us to submit the weapons or leave Liberty. We were escroted to Houstan and then fled to Beaumant where we were engaged and destroyed. Dart had no Corsair weaponry so it was unfortunate he was caught up in the event. I believe the Lawfuls shouldn't have pursued into the Debris field.. but that's just me.
' Wrote:The facts of the event were... Myself, Maverick and Dart were RPing rowdy Junkers. LN and all their Mercenary/ Bounty Hunter buddies scanned us and ordered us to submit the weapons or leave Liberty. We were escroted to Houstan and then fled to Beaumant where we were engaged and destroyed. Dart had no Corsair weaponry so it was unfortunate he was caught up in the event. I believe the Lawfuls shouldn't have pursued into the Debris field.. but that's just me.
Junker-Daine, Out.
yea, i find it ridiculous that liberty is chasing junkers/rogues/etc. all the way to the heart of the badlands, or into the dallas debris fields, when in-RP they should be extremely nervous about going into those areas. Not only do scanners not function within those clouds (or shouldnt, but game mechanics justify bad RP apparently), but there are high levels of radiation and other unknown hazards which no self-loving pilot would subject himself to - unless trying to get away from someone intent on murdering him.
The clouds are supposed to be our refuge from the lawfuls, but they completely ignore their existence.
Quote:The innocent have nothing to fear.
Except those harvesters turning them into machine toothepaste, amirite?
Explain to me why they shouldn't have pursued you? You were in violation of military authority, and carrying weapons deemed contraband, further more you fled. With a visual fix on your location its well within logical reason and their rights as the lawmen of Liberty to follow you.
Edit: Tenacity, LN members are instructed to never, ever, ever go anywhere near Buffalo. Beaumont and Rochester are different, we know where those are.
The best Junkers could expect to be is tolerated. They are an unlawful faction. One or two of them engage in nastiness (real nastiness - drugs and slaves) and get caught which makes people suspicious of the rest.
The thread was about one or two people so generalising doesn't really fit here. Bear in mind that when some LPI tried RPing corrupt officers there were complaints. Now the problem is people playing the opposite. Wanting more variety of RP means expecting unlawfuls to RP as well: it's a two way street.
My advice: avoid NY completely. Accepting a bribe is an unlawful action, and prohibited by lawful ID.
The thread title is inflammatory and should be changed. This is a forum for discussion and not accusations.
' Wrote:.. I didn't use those words, no.
.. I'd actually say it's more a matter in player taste n' stuff. Some people enjoy PvP and that's just the way of things, I've been in LSF and I know what they do - they PvP all day long, generally. That isn't to say they're bad roleplayers or anything since they are roleplaying by doing that, it's just the current generation of Liberty forces isn't what it used to be.
.. Back when the Slaver's Union was around for example, you didn't have Liberty Gunboats chasing you for three systems all because you had a few Bounty Hunters in your cargohold. Even Bounty Hunters didn't usually care aslong as you weren't actually carrying Bounty Hunters.
Nowadays, you get chased down by a squadron of Fighters and Bombers because you have Hessians or Corsairs in your cargohold. You get caught hauling Cardamine and the lawful forces are going to kill you period. Currently you're basically treated as hostile when in Liberty as a Junker, the LSF and LN camps Rochester often since they're so eager to stop you from destroying the universe by smuggling counterfeit software.
It's not a matter of good or bad RP or even PvP whoring, it's a matter of, "Well, everyone's treating me like an enemy.."
You're disagreeing with me because I didn't quote you, maybe you'd care to elaborate what the last sentece in your previous post was actually getting at then?
And this: "it's just the current generation of Liberty forces isn't what it used to be."
What the hell? LSF has come on leaps and bounds, and is getting better with every passing day. Or did you just happen to forget when the LSF were shunned as capwhoring battleship noobs?
And this.... ".. Back when the Slaver's Union was around for example, you didn't have Liberty Gunboats chasing you for three systems all because you had a few Bounty Hunters in your cargohold."
Yet again, using one experience to put down EVERY LIBERTY LAWFUL. Have you figured out what i'm getting at yet? And did you even read the last and very important part of my pervious post?
Your most recent post shows that you don't care what I think or say, you're just going to stay annoyed at all the navy forces, and post stuff like this: " the LSF and LN camps Rochester often since they're so eager to stop you from destroying the universe by smuggling counterfeit software."
So these guys were shot while trying to escape in a place called Texas?
And they're suprised?
LN and LSF always pull out of Badlands in my recent experience. Bounty Hunters know plenty about jumpholes and unlawful bases so expect to be hunted as far as them.
I got a question. What does Liberty really officially care about Corsairs for? They have no presence in lIberty and they kill problems they DO have in liberty, like Rhinelanders and Outcast. So, I kind of doubt a Liberty cop would even know a Corsair weapon for what it was. (I might be wrong)
So, for haveing no contact and assumeing the Liberty police doesnt have interest in the Omicrons, or Omegas why do they give a rats aft about Corsair guns.
I think they would assume them to be new Junker guns.
SOmeone school me if I'm wrong. If I'm not then consider these questions.
The LSF and Liberty have been in pretty good shape for awhile now. The era where Liberty were capwhores was before I played, probably. As far as I know they've always been good about using Fighters/Bombers.
You're right, though. I don't really care what you have to say, or atleast.. What you have to say won't change the way I feel, since the feelings have developed from the way I've been treated in Liberty. *Shrug*
.. No, I don't really think the Navy or the LSF should care that you've taken Xeno prisoners, or Hessians or Corsairs. Why would they? Especially if they're Xenos, since the only reason anyone catches a Xeno is to imprison/kill "it" anyway.
There was more liberty in Liberty, before. There isn't the occasional friendly Navy or LSF pilot who's nice to as many people as possible, or one that will turn the occasional blind eye to a small smuggling operation. Those things should be there, and no, I don't think you should camp Rochester. Junkers wouldn't build an installation that close if they didn't think they could keep the lawfuls away.
Quote:Anyone who deals with Junkers knows they live by a strict code; if you're not a Junker, you're not part of the family. A Junker will double-cross you without a second thought, and they\'re fiercely protective of each other. Most House corporations consider the Junkers to be simple criminals, but Junkers will occasionally do favors for the police, turning in the odd, mid-level criminal or letting them know about the occasional drug shipment. So despite some harassment, the police stop short of shutting them down. The infrequent police cleanup operations are little more than exercises in public relations, though there's no love lost between the two groups.
.. That's an excerpt from my copy of the Freelancer book that came with the game. That relationship doesn't exist to any extent on Discovery, and that's fine if you don't want it too, but you shouldn't expect Junkers to be happy about it/put up with it.
I think it's all very well and what happened is in a grey area of rules of engagement. But if the LN/LSF/whoever else is going start treating the junkers as a pirate faction on the same basis as, rogues for example.. than they shouldn't have navy personel hanging around Rochester or Beaumant, otherwise we have nowhere to hide. For the record Daine has relocated to Bornholm, Omega 15 for purposes of Junking and loves his new home :D
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