Feedback Threads

[Mímir]

@Deecam: Well that's the thing. I didn't receive an answer to what I was asking. I want to know if the particular faction thinks it is alright to just ignore roleplay when they themselves choose to sit in the middle of a populated area with lawfuls present, and how on earth they expect the game to work with that approach?

Maybe I am slow, but I fail to see that explained anywhere. I saw a "hey man you should just hold on for 5 minutes while we log a lot of strong shippies to shoot you npnp be patient man, rp, just ignore kthx" but I mean, how is that an answer? What happens next time I log to spend my precious time to interact with them? Will they get upset if I tell them to stop PM'ing me oorp stuff and just gun them down? Wait for them to come to me with complaints, so I can throw screenshots in their faces of oorp requests and self-righteously tell them to ferrari like a good Disco member would do? How is that conducive to better play for any of us? Those are answers I would like before I invest myself in that again.

I don't think that's such a big deal, I think the feedback thread is the only place to ask, since it's the only people that can answer if they choose to. If they don't want to, then why do we have them?

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[Dove]

What it boils down to in the end is:

You can be reasonable, you can desperately try to find common ground, you can go out of your way to help someone fix their problems, you can explain everything perfectly, with flawless logic.

But the person you are trying to help is just going to be a self-absorbed immature emo who will never ever, ever ever ever ever admit that he may have been wrong about something, and is going to use any means at his disposal to obliterate you for pointing out flaws in his actions.

I would help if there was something like a universally morally and logically respected authority who would say:

'Listen man, we really don't want to hurt your feelings, but expecting Bounty Hunters to "wait till I finish my unlawful RP" or expecting pirates to "wait till I finish my trader RP" or expecting your nemesis to "wait till I finish my nemesis RP" just isn't going to work for you, and isn't going to work for anyone else either. It would greatly help you if you came to realize that.'

Unfortunately, there is no such thing here.

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[Thyrzul]

What it boils down to in the end is:

You can be reasonable, you can desperately try to find common ground, you can go out of your way to help someone fix their problems, you can explain everything perfectly, with flawless logic.

But the person you are trying to help is just going to be a self-absorbed immature emo who will never ever, ever ever ever ever admit that he may have been wrong about something.

That's quite the generalization and simplification there. I admit it has been a while since I visited Council feedback (barely anything happens there, I once considered it a bad thing, but in light of recent dramas, it might be not that bad after all), but I can't remember being unreasonable or denying constructing feedback there without explaination. Given that in at least one case the above statement is not true I'd feel it better if you would also point out that it may apply in certain cases and may not apply in others. Thank you.

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[Dove]

What it boils down to in the end is:

You can be reasonable, you can desperately try to find common ground, you can go out of your way to help someone fix their problems, you can explain everything perfectly, with flawless logic.

But the person you are trying to help is just going to be a self-absorbed immature emo who will never ever, ever ever ever ever admit that he may have been wrong about something.

That's quite the generalization and simplification there. I admit it has been a while since I visited Council feedback (barely anything happens there, I once considered it a bad thing, but in light of recent dramas, it might be not that bad after all), but I can't remember being unreasonable or denying constructing feedback there without explaination. Given that in at least one case the above statement is not true I'd feel it better if you would also point out that it may apply in certain cases and may not apply in others. Thank you.

You are welcome.

Right now I'm just wondering what made you post that.

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[Thyrzul]

and is going to use any means at his disposal to obliterate you for pointing out flaws in his actions.

I dare you to point out my flaws. I dare you to prove that I belong in your category of "self-absorbed immature emo who will never ever, ever ever ever ever admit that he may have been wrong about something".

Right now I'm just wondering what made you post that.

That you worded your statement in a way which seemingly included me by being as general as possible, and was enough simplified, derogatory, and mostly untrue (to me at least) that I took offense at it.

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[Dove]

and is going to use any means at his disposal to obliterate you for pointing out flaws in his actions.

I dare you to point out my flaws. I dare you to prove that I belong in your category of "self-absorbed immature emo who will never ever, ever ever ever ever admit that he may have been wrong about something".

Ok.

I will do my best.

Who are you, and why do you feel like I was talking about you?

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[Thyrzul]

Who are you, and why do you feel like I was talking about you?

I am a faction leader, my faction has a feedback thread which haven't seen drama in ages and you stated something about feedback recievers in general which I felt it does not apply to me and would be quite offensive to me yet I also felt you talked about me too by being as general as you were. Got it now?

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[Dove]

Who are you, and why do you feel like I was talking about you?

I am a faction leader, my faction has a feedback thread which haven't seen drama in ages and you stated something about feedback recievers in general which I felt it does not apply to me and would be quite offensive to me yet I also felt you talked about me too by being as general as you were. Got it now?

Being general doesn't include everyone. It just includes most of the cases of which the OP was talking about (drama feedback threads, from which you have just excluded yourself), and not even all of those.

Would you like to talk about anything in particular? Some event maybe which you found similar to my examples?

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[Thyrzul]

Being general doesn't include everyone. It just includes most of the cases of which the OP was talking about (drama feedback threads, from which you have just excluded yourself), and not even all of those.

I disagree. Being general doesn't include everyone, but doesn't exclude everyone either. Leaving certain details unspecified can easily leave your comments up to several different (more often than not mis)interpretations. That's why I myself usually aim for the least offensive and objective and most specific wording during my posts - to minimize the amount of (mis)interpretations and keep them as close to the originally intended message as possible -, and would have better liked you to do the same to avoid confusions like this one.

Would you like to talk about anything in particular? Some event maybe which you found similar to my examples?

I don't know, I haven't dealth with feedback threads of other factions much, if at all, no. I usually deal with other factions over skype and there - except from some occasional ones I can't remember right now - they are rather cooperative.

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[Pepe]

Positive feedback is when there's no feedback. It's common thing to not bother if all is fine.

But every fool wants to lead a faction, to show his awesome wisdom. Coward wants it too, to molest others and show his bravery and competence. They want it bad, they try and try, grab the opportunity - and they get to leading positions sometimes. Then they reply to feedback according to their real nature. There is only one way for them: their way.

We can't change them. No one can. But, we can change bad leaders to good ones. Or to councils of 3 leaders, which is even better imho. They can talk to each other before replying and they push their members to improve, according to any well-intentioned feedback they got.

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