Questions on the latest "Administrator Notice"

[Eternal]

Hmm .. I have to say I'm not ALL that thrilled aboout this thing the admins pulled. On a personal level , I think my way of RP has been - ruined / invaded / neglected / redused to your avarage capwhore. I don't like saying things just to look good infront of the admin team and people who don't agree with me , and I say that I've visited NY on numorous acassions with my Battleship with no fighter support ( real people ) , but in RP I have a small scouting fighter wing of Anubises that I RP at the same time I RP my admiral , firsti office and my right hand man.

Usually I don't go to NY for the PvP , everyone who knows me can tell you that I suck at PvP in all it's forms , I go there for the RP , the RP with some friends of mine who happen to be players belonging to the [LN] and LSF and a part of them have participated into my ingame RP and forum RP stories. And now what do I get served ? My visits to Liberty have been removed and , If I undestand correctly , are now sanctionable , ofencive and even noobish , if you will.

Setting solid RP barriers for some people , myself in this matter , is not something I agree to or enjoy. Also , if the freedom of people is more important then actuall RP and the fact the FL realy is an old game and we need not push people away with "silly" RP boundries , why not make the Nomad ID / Wilde ID / Terrorist ID / Phantom ID and each other special ID avalable to all , without the need for mounts of RPing , story writing on the forums and all that. If they buy the ID's for PvP , fine you can simply sanction them for that. It works both ways you know , I realy don't agree with this.

Also , I can fully undestand Morgan in this matter. The official faction currently , and looks like for the present future , do not have any authority within there own home system / planet and ship line. Non what so ever. So , why do , I and countless other people , enjoy and feel the moral need of writing a long story for reqruitment and wait / RP / and wait more , to go up the rank chain to be able to purchase a large ship , when it's so much easier just to buy it , claim you're god and have all the privilige s of official factions who have spend alot of time writing a story about the faction / payd 500 Million and 1 billion more for a system / and waited even more for there faction to be accepted.

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[Weedalot]

Regardless of whether they are considered capships (which I believe they are), I think Order Gunboats should be allowed in Liberty.. Especially considering that LN (mostly indies) tends to break out the capship spam every time they find a group of fighters with no cap support of their own..

So true do something about this just the other night a whole fleet of dread and what not came at a light fighter wing of the CCS escorting a smuggler, really now is all that force needed? you didnt even wait for RP response when you announced " Intruders Engage " was that fun for anyone? if you like shooting light fighters with big ships just pick up a mission its almost the same believe me, multiple GB's equipped with enough missiles to take out Normandy.

edit: oh yea it was in California, we did not pirate the trader laged out and we were waiting for him to come back online. thanks you =LSF= BH and all those who took part of this fair game.

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♠ Because we can ♠

[JakeSG]

Regardless of whether they are considered capships (which I believe they are), I think Order Gunboats should be allowed in Liberty.. Especially considering that LN (mostly indies) tends to break out the capship spam every time they find a group of fighters with no cap support of their own..

Didn't read most of the previous posts, but this one jumped out at me. The Liberty Navy has ended that. There are still a few who don't even know the server has a forum, and probably don't even understand basic English, but we've decomissioned more than a few.

It's not about Gunboats. It's about the random Osiris swarms who used to magically appear in Liberty during the dead shift to gang up on one or two lone fighters. The situation has improved a lot on both sides, but I think that if you're going to raid somewhere you have no technological ability to reach anyway, you shouldn't do so in a target as large as a Battleship.

And... A bloody friend hijacked my train of thought. I may be back.

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For the Core.

[mwerte]

Couple of quick questions I had related to the admin notice here

1) Does this void rule 4.3
4.3 Factions are free to restrict or not restrict access to their home systems and tax players who enter home system. Access to systems that surround home system must not be restricted unless there's a war with another faction.

2) Why wasn't this done a few months ago when the 101st was blowing capships off the server left and right? Why only now when Bs| starts enforcing a policy of "no capships in NY" (which ironically this admin notice mandates). Why only now when this is probably the most liberal of the "capship regulations" around?

over a day later and I'm still waiting for an "official position" reply.

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[Linkus]

No Order capital ships are to engage ships in NY without some kind of negotiation with the LN or independant lawfuls currently on in that system is what I gathered.

However, it does not say that Order capital ships can't enter the system and NOT engage.
So for all you non-pvp peeps, you can go into NY with your capital ships it seems, as long as you do not engage.
If you intend to engage, inform the LN etc in OOC form (I guess thats how they want it, might be a bit odd telling them in RP..)

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Facilitating the rise of robotics since 0 A.D.

[Tenacity]

No Order capital ships are to engage ships in NY without some kind of negotiation with the LN or independant lawfuls currently on in that system is what I gathered.
However, it does not say that Order capital ships can't enter the system and NOT engage.

No, the admin notice specifically says "No order capital ships allowed in new york" - doesnt matter if you engage or not, you cant go there without first getting 'permission' from the liberty navy or lsf when they are present. If they're not present to ask, avoid the system entirely.

So for all you non-pvp peeps, you can go into NY with your capital ships it seems, as long as you do not engage.
If you intend to engage, inform the LN etc in OOC form (I guess thats how they want it, might be a bit odd telling them in RP..)

As stated, you simply read it wrong, none allowed there, period.

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[Drake]

That would be a pretty big loophole. Just fly in with your Order battleship and, rather than attacking, wait for the LN/LSF/LPI to come to you.

I'd like to know whether Order capships are allowed in Liberty if they go the long way around, or if Liberty capships are allowed in Minor.

[Dab]

1) Is The Order allowed into New York?
* Any Order ship should be allowed in NY ------ 0 votes
* Only Order fighters should be allowed in NY- 9 votes
* NO Order ships should be allowed in NY------ 0 votes

None allowed at all.. But if they are going to restrict them from pvping there, they best restrict all caps period, since someone could dock an Osiris at Manhatten to force LN to shoot them, so they could engage back in self-defense.

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[Tenacity]

That would be a pretty big loophole. Just fly in with your Order battleship and, rather than attacking, wait for the LN/LSF/LPI to come to you.

I'd like to know whether Order capships are allowed in Liberty if they go the long way around, or if Liberty capships are allowed in Minor.

Allowed in liberty - yes. Allowed in new york - no.

Its only one system guys =P

Besides, from what I hear there will be a new jump hole in alaska in 4.85 that leads to somewhere in the borderworlds between liberty and kusari, so we'll be able to get around without having to go through the gate into new york.

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[Drake]

Allowed in liberty - yes. Allowed in new york - no.

Its only one system guys =P

Besides, from what I hear there will be a new jump hole in alaska in 4.85 that leads to somewhere in the borderworlds between liberty and kusari, so we'll be able to get around without having to go through the gate into new york.

Allowed in Liberty but not in NY makes little sense, really... And from Igiss' original post, it seemed more like the problem was with using the Alaska JG, not with them actually being there.

And that new jump hole leads to the LSF Guard system, which leads to Oita, which leads to either the LPI or KNF Guard systems. :P